rynny Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, StringerBell said: I know not every player is Le Tissier but that doesn't seem like a very good record. Thought I would have a look at our other players that have taken a penalty, not including shoot outs Bent scored 21/26 (3/4 for us) Ince scored 7/12 (1/3 for us) Blackman scored 14/15 (1/1 for us) Nugent scored 12/16 Vydra scored 4/6 Russell scored 4/5 (1/2) Bryson scored 1/2 all for us Camara scored 1/1 Olsson 0/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 It might be best to keep him there this window. Bringing him back now, especially after signing Nugent would be bad for morale and we'd be left with 4 strikers for one position, 5 if you include Blackman. Nugent has only just signed, Bent has done well in spells this season, whilst the 3 club rule means that Vydra has to stay at least till the end of the reason. I'd love us to broaden our horizons a bit. Martin isn't the only hold up player in the world, just like Wisdom isn't the only right back in the world. No-one heard of the centre back Janssen before Leeds signed up and now he is arguably the best in the division.To make us less predictable, a hold up player would be necessary in the summer, but is ideally quick enough to suit McClaren's pressing game so can spin in behind defenders too, which I think he ultimately wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, rynny said: Thought I would have a look at our other players that have taken a penalty, not including shoot outs Bent scored 21/26 (3/4 for us) Ince scored 7/12 (1/3 for us) Blackman scored 14/15 (1/1 for us) Nugent scored 12/16 Vydra scored 4/6 Russell scored 4/5 (1/2) Bryson scored 1/2 all for us Camara scored 1/1 Olsson 0/1 Nick 'deadeye' Blackman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 43 minutes ago, StringerBell said: I know not every player is Le Tissier but that doesn't seem like a very good record. Yep it is a poor record no matter how anyone tries to argue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 hours ago, nfb said: I hope he doesn't return,but i doubt Fulham will take him after his loan expires now, so he will return, and we will see. sadly i see him now as divisive and moody, while i was his biggest fan a few years ago i think he isn't what we need moving forwards, He a good championship player on his day, but i dont think he will make much impact in the Prem should we get there, and surely thats what we should be looking for at this point... Yep have to agree. Glen Murray, a better player than Martin, struggled in the prem despite being in a free flowing Bournemouth side and a palace side suited to his strengths. Martin is a decent championship striker but when we do eventually reach the prem, we will need to get an upgrade for sure. But the problem is we aren't in the prem so we need someone to help us score the goals to fire us there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, rynny said: Thought I would have a look at our other players that have taken a penalty, not including shoot outs Bent scored 21/26 (3/4 for us) Ince scored 7/12 (1/3 for us) Blackman scored 14/15 (1/1 for us) Nugent scored 12/16 Vydra scored 4/6 Russell scored 4/5 (1/2) Bryson scored 1/2 all for us Camara scored 1/1 Olsson 0/1 Wish we could bring Blackman on just for pens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, McLovin said: Yep it is a poor record no matter how anyone tries to argue Especially for a striker who is a pretty good finisher and clean striker of the ball. There's no reason he shouldn't put more away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, McLovin said: Yep it is a poor record no matter how anyone tries to argue I wouldn't say poor but average really. Looking at other, random players Messi's conversion rate is 78% Ronaldo 83% Rooney 78% Aguero 78% Zlatan 88% McCormack 74% Gayle 77% Murray 64% Forestieri 60% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 59 minutes ago, StivePesley said: So he's missed pretty much 1 in every 3 penalties. Obvious answer is that next time when he's scored 2 - he should let someone else take the 3rd one But then he'd still miss the next time he took one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 Derby loanee Chris Martin wants to put the past behind him and focus on his football at Fulham. The striker has been the subject of a transfer saga as he looked to return to the iPro Stadium to be closer to his family with Rams boss Steve McClaren openly courting him ahead of the transfer window opening. This led to the 28-year-old being absent from the Whites' squad for the original game at Reading that was abandoned on December 30, earning the ire of Slavisa Jokanovic. He missed the 2-1 loss to Brighton and 2-1 FA Cup win at Cardiff before he returned to the side against Barnsley, scoring from the penalty spot. And all he wants to do now is put the past behind him and focus on his game, while putting his family first. He told GetWestLondon : “I just want to concentrate on football. I need to look after myself and my family. I believe I put them first throughout my career. “In January, that's been the case. People know there have been discussions. I'm not going to air my dirty laundry in public. “All I want to do is focus on my football. I want to get over the disappointment of Reading but all players want to get on the pitch and play 90 minutes and I'm fortunate enough that I've managed to do that the last few games.” Derby have been keen for Martin to return but Fulham and Slavisa Jokanovic have made it crystal clear that he will not return in January. The striker insisted he is happy with that and believes it is reflected in his performances. He explained: “You never know what can happen in football but the club have made their position very clear and I'm happy with that and it showed in my performance after coming back against Barnsley. “We'll try and move on, come together as a team. We've got an aim to get into the top six and that's what we're aiming towards.” He added: “I'm enjoying my football. It's a very good team to play in. There are some great characters in the squad and I've really enjoyed my time here. Hopefully it can continue. “We believe the play-offs are still possible. We believe it's attainable but we'll have to play even better than what we have done and grind out results.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Must be Stockholm syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Sounds to me like he wants to come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Sounds to me like he wants to come back He's saying what he needs to, because he does need to patch up with Fulham best he can, but, family first indicates to me he still wants back, but will make the best of the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: He told GetWestLondon : “I just want to concentrate on football. I need to look after myself and my family. I believe I put them first throughout my career... Missed off this bit: Martin also revealed that he held several discussions with Jokanovic and also with the rest of the Fulham squad. “We had discussions on several occasions. I put my point across and him the same. I've spoken to the lads on several occasions. I want to focus on my football moving forward with the club,” he said. “After Reading, I want to make an apology to the fans for the performance. I'm here and I'll try and allow my feet to do the talking, although I know it's not the best time to say this. All I want to do is concentrate on my football.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: Derby loanee Chris Martin wants to put the past behind him and focus on his football at Fulham. The striker has been the subject of a transfer saga as he looked to return to the iPro Stadium to be closer to his family with Rams boss Steve McClaren openly courting him ahead of the transfer window opening. This led to the 28-year-old being absent from the Whites' squad for the original game at Reading that was abandoned on December 30, earning the ire of Slavisa Jokanovic. He missed the 2-1 loss to Brighton and 2-1 FA Cup win at Cardiff before he returned to the side against Barnsley, scoring from the penalty spot. And all he wants to do now is put the past behind him and focus on his game, while putting his family first. He told GetWestLondon : “I just want to concentrate on football. I need to look after myself and my family. I believe I put them first throughout my career. “In January, that's been the case. People know there have been discussions. I'm not going to air my dirty laundry in public. “All I want to do is focus on my football. I want to get over the disappointment of Reading but all players want to get on the pitch and play 90 minutes and I'm fortunate enough that I've managed to do that the last few games.” Derby have been keen for Martin to return but Fulham and Slavisa Jokanovic have made it crystal clear that he will not return in January. The striker insisted he is happy with that and believes it is reflected in his performances. He explained: “You never know what can happen in football but the club have made their position very clear and I'm happy with that and it showed in my performance after coming back against Barnsley. “We'll try and move on, come together as a team. We've got an aim to get into the top six and that's what we're aiming towards.” He added: “I'm enjoying my football. It's a very good team to play in. There are some great characters in the squad and I've really enjoyed my time here. Hopefully it can continue. “We believe the play-offs are still possible. We believe it's attainable but we'll have to play even better than what we have done and grind out results.” Surely should be enjoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just now, hintonsboots said: Surely should be enjoying. The next sentence says "hopefully it can continue" That would make it present tense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 That mention again of his family. This is about contract length and having a 'home', it always was. He said it when he moved his family to Derby and played the best football of his career. That's why he said a loan was the worst thing for him, because he's been on loan before and he hates it. He's in limbo. From his perspective, if Derby didn't want him, let him go properly so he can set up roots elsewhere. I'm sure there's some dimension of wanting higher wages, especially since we shipped him out and now we want him back. A bit of extra cash never goes unnoticed. But it has always been about trying to find somewhere he can settle and play his football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 And of course, it certainly sounds like he wants to come back but also sounds like he's resigned to finishing the season with Fulham. That's why we've signed Nugent, and he'll be back in the summer. Unfortunate but it'll have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 This doesn't give much away other than,my family comes first and I just want to play good football. It's going to come down to where he decides to settle with his family in the end....Although I would imagine he has more love for Mac and derby still I really don't know how this will end.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripperg-ram Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just a thought; What if Fulham go up and we don't. Will he still want to come back then? Also, if we play them in the play offs, will he be unable to play against us..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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