kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 i think its hard to dispute that martin has had a massive resurgence since the departure of clement....so just what was clemant doing to stifle such a normally prolific goal scorer? was it just restricting his freedom within the formation or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: i think its hard to dispute that martin has had a massive resurgence since the departure of clement....so just what was clemant doing to stifle such a normally prolific goal scorer? was it just restricting his freedom within the formation or something else? maybe it was just a lean spell that strikers have from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Éire Ram Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Let's hope he can go on a nice little run now (: It's good that we got a clean sheet as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Heard rumblings of something non-football related effecting the Clement/Martin relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Was it that old chesnut bells of St Clement v bells of St Martin nonsense again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFc Dyycheee Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 He's back scoring because he's finally getting some service. We all know what he can do when a decent cross comes in. He tops the scoring and assisting chart for us this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Under clement, he was stuck right up front on his own, chasing balls into the channels. Under wassall, he's got license drop off and find space, we get balls into his feet and chest and we get players running off him. It's a textbook example of how to get the best out of a player, compared to how to get the worst out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I heard that Clement banned bacon from the canteen, Martin got caught trying to bring in some bacon joints in a black market operation. Martin then went on a goal drought protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIWY Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Don't think it was too much to do with Paul Clement, although I don't think Martin benefited from having to play high up the pitch as Clement wanted. I just don't think he was getting many chances and grew frustrated that he wasn't scoring and eventually when he did get chances he'd snatch at them. I always had faith once he got a goal he'd score a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, Yani P said: Was it that old chesnut bells of St Clement v bells of St Martin nonsense again? excellent work....really excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 2 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: i think its hard to dispute that martin has had a massive resurgence since the departure of clement....so just what was clemant doing to stifle such a normally prolific goal scorer? was it just restricting his freedom within the formation or something else? Nobody was allowed to attack in reality which was summed up by clement wanting to start both Baird (captain) and Warnock to kill off any attacking intent from the full backs when Christie and Forsyth were both available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Still think he's not his full self, a proper in-form Chris Martin would have scored more today. The difference is we've finally started playing to his strengths again. Players around him. Full-backs getting beyond the last man and pulling it back. Midfielders running past him. Perfect Chris Martin conditions. Play like that, and he'll contribute something to the team even when he's not playing that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 So does this mean that the reviled Wassell has done something right? Cripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Here's a pretty good indicator Martin was by quite a long chalk the most fouled player in the Championship for both the previous 2 seasons. Look at his "fouls against" stats for the duration of his dry spell. It dropped down to average/below average levels Why? I guess because if he's not getting the ball then he can't get fouled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 i wasnt insinuating that there were any ulterior reasons for martins drop off in form prior to wassells arrival and i certainly dont believe any of the clement rumour rubbish bandied about....i was looking at the tactical reasons for it. in my opinion his style was effectively stifled by clements overly controlled systems and this also effected most of the other more expressive players who we also saw go downhill over that period,russell,johnson etc...fitness levels were also clearly below par for some reason and have been improving since the change of manager. good to see a lot of the players looking happier and playing better as a result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Ooh Chrissy Martin score some goals for Derby we want more more more we want more more more. If you ask me we are creating more chances. Hence scoring more goals. Hence Chris Martins value goes up. 'The Derby Way'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 16 hours ago, davenportram said: maybe it was just a lean spell that strikers have from time to time. No no no, it's definitely Clement's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 9 hours ago, StivePesley said: Here's a pretty good indicator Martin was by quite a long chalk the most fouled player in the Championship for both the previous 2 seasons. Look at his "fouls against" stats for the duration of his dry spell. It dropped down to average/below average levels Why? I guess because if he's not getting the ball then he can't get fouled Unless refs were not giving fouls against him this season cos of his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I agree that Martin has improved but is well short of his best, particularly the 'hold-up' play. Keep Bryson on the pitch who gets forward & tries to make himself available & I believe Martin will see much more of the ball & get back to his best. A happy Martin means WiNS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Allegations without evidence are just gossip. If you want gossip please find another forum to share on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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