Bris Vegas Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 3 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Got a assist for our second goal. Already bettered last season's tally of 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Top bloke. Best striker we've had in 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm a big Martin fan , and I feel bad today because 30 seconds before Butterfields goal I said to tha father in law "time to get Martin off and bring bent on " there's not a chance in earth bent would have made that assist ! Sorry Chrissy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 To anyone who doesn't believe Martin does enough when he isn't scoring.... Please see his pass to Warnock which led to the first goal And more so, his pass for the second goal, case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Nothing wrong with him. If had more pace he'd be a pl striker already. Did fine today. Will continue to be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 5 hours ago, Howard Canitbé said: It's purely his lack of goals that have lead to people judging him so much more harshly. We've not been as prolific this season as in the previous two, but this has come with the benefit of a solid defensive foundation so I'm not complaining. Our build up play hasn't been quite as easy on the eye either and so this has probably also clouded people's judgement of Martin's role in the team. Basically we're less pretty and not as free-scoring, but considering that tactic has seen us miss out the last two seasons, I'm happy to try something else. I'm not sure that's true. He isn't as imperative to our system of football as he was in previous seasons meaning he isn't getting as much supply, ergo implying he isn't seeing as much of the ball and can't impact the game as much. To me, this is all it seems to be. Due to being such a pivotal player for us in previous seasons, fans are expecting this to continue and for him to be our talisman, however due to play not having to run through him as it has in the past, he's not getting as many direct balls to feet and therefore can't influence the game as much as, i'm sure, he'd like to. It's not that what he's doing is wrong in any way, it's just that at times he can seem a little bit invisible due to our play, at times, seemingly not requiring him anymore. I may point out this is not a criticism, just my perceived explanation. I agree though, moments like his assist for Butterfield's goal today have been seemingly ignored for some strange reason, excellent one touch football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I do think that we have seen more "wasted" balls from CM this season. The ball does seem to bounce that little bit further from him instead of being killed dead or flicks don't find their man, but then he will do a classic Martin, as in to Russell against Ipswich and it does make you think that there is no one else like him in this league. I think it is probably because he doesn't have Bryson, Hendricks or Highes buzzing around him and he is trying just that little bit too hard. As others have said, the system has changed a little this season, but then he still has 9 goals, and more direct assists already than last season, plus all the important touches that have made it easier for others to make assists. I'm sure PC isn't too worried, I know I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 The original table misses out 'assists' and he has done well with these this season. Some people don't half moan even when we are doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Anyone think it's more to do with a changed mentality? It feels like we're shooting from outside the box a lot more frequently this season. Players like Johnson and butterfield are more likely to have a ping than hughes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 minute ago, IlsonDerby said: Anyone think it's more to do with a changed mentality? It feels like we're shooting from outside the box a lot more frequently this season. Players like Johnson and butterfield are more likely to have a ping than hughes etc. Not really, I think it's a case of teams setting out to stop us playing through Martin. Game after game, you can see opponents putting someone infront and behind him to stop us using him as that pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think his lack of speed is a problem. For a striker, getting on the end of the kind of through balls, like the one he had yesterday, is imperative. His ability to draw a foul seems to have been lost too. I'd prefer someone quicker, and someone who doesn't tell me to F Off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 14 minutes ago, Srg said: Not really, I think it's a case of teams setting out to stop us playing through Martin. Game after game, you can see opponents putting someone infront and behind him to stop us using him as that pivot. totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 4 minutes ago, unclej said: I think his lack of speed is a problem. For a striker, getting on the end of the kind of through balls, like the one he had yesterday, is imperative. His ability to draw a foul seems to have been lost too. I'd prefer someone quicker, and someone who doesn't tell me to F Off... We're not going to get on then, because a) I'm slower than Martin b) F Off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 He has obviously been told to make more runs behind the defence to force them a little deeper and create space, but the midfield and defence need to be much better at when to pass it through ti him and when not to. There were times yesterday when Martin was making runs down the channel with 2 defenders going with him and we were punting it 20 yards ahead of all 3 players. Yet other times he was central, had lost his marker 40 yards out and wanted a little sidefoot pass sliding behind the defence and nothing came. I would say the timing and execution of our runs and resulting passes behind the opposition defence is the weakest part of our game. Having said all that Martin had a hand in one goal and an assist in the other, he stays in the team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 30 minutes ago, eddie said: We're not going to get on then, because a) I'm slower than Martin b) F Off I love the season of goodwill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 4 minutes ago, EastHertsRam said: I love the season of goodwill me. People are too precious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 It was interesting yesterday that Fulham chose to handle Martin a little differently to most teams. The centre half who was marking him stood about three yards off all game. I reckon it was a deliberate policy to avoid Martin winning free kicks. At times Martin looked a bit bemused that he wasn't involved in any physical tussles. Fulham pretty much let Martin have the ball, but then worked really hard to cut off his passing - generally by tightly marking Russell, Ince and Butterfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 His lack of speed is becoming a problem. He hasn't had a poor season. Just a poor last 8 or so games. Just that little bit of extra speed would do him a world of good. Surely they must be able to get a little more out of him. What we are seeing surely isn't his top speed. Get him on a strict regime and make it happen. Ultimately he should be a little worried. I think we will bring in another forward/striker in Jan for him to compete with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 48 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: It was interesting yesterday that Fulham chose to handle Martin a little differently to most teams. The centre half who was marking him stood about three yards off all game. I reckon it was a deliberate policy to avoid Martin winning free kicks. At times Martin looked a bit bemused that he wasn't involved in any physical tussles. Fulham pretty much let Martin have the ball, but then worked really hard to cut off his passing - generally by tightly marking Russell, Ince and Butterfield. I noticed he didnt have his usual tough time. he only went to ground twice, and both of those were mid 2nd half on wards. And even with this, the team didnt use him no where near enough. As much as I say martins form has dropped off, and he doesnt look like scoring any time soon, I still think the way we play now gives us more options, and is much easier to drop back into shape when we loose the ball, meaning we defend better, and we are harder to beat and are therefore a better team, than under Mcclaren when we had 70% posession didnt always so much with it, and were really poor defending the counter attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepshedram Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 The last 3 Derby managers have used Martin as the key cog in Derby's attacking machine. Perhaps they know something the keyboard doubters don't. The way Martin uses his speed of thought to compensate for lack of pace shows the quality of the man as a footballer. His consistency over the last 2.5 seasons is incredible given the way teams now set out to deal with him and stop him playing. The only problem with Martin in this division is we haven't got another Martin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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