Bris Vegas Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 The Keogh/Buxton partnership doesn't really work that well, it just works marginally better than our other pairings.The Keogh/Buxton partnership is one that lets in far too many headed goals from set pieces/crosses, is highly vulnerable to diagonal balls played in between them and just generally struggles to deal with any sort of aerial bombardment tactic.Our subsequent failure to improve on it does not mean it doesn't still need improvement.You'll struggle to find an all-rounded defender who is both dominant in the air and on the floor, more so at Championship level. I think in Keogh and Buxton we have one of the better pairings, especially in playing out from the back.Also in egards to conceding from set pieces, harsh to blame just Keogh and Buxton when there are a good 15 players or so who get in the box from corners/freekicks.You wouldn't blame the two strikers for a lack of scoring set-pieces or corners would you?I honestly think our CBs are fine for this level and plenty of goals are conceded as a result of bad teamplay rather than individual mistakes.That said, I'd sell him if we were offered 4m. That's a lot of money on a player who could be replaced by Shackell at half the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butros Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Suddenly he's ITK now as well... Never fails to surprise me.Suddenly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 no he isn'the is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 The Keogh/Buxton partnership was one of the reasons we have seen the best football since the Jim Smith years.but we had that partnership for a while and played a lot of dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Buxton cost us wembley..gave ball away to llow their only attack of last 30minutes hitting a Hollywood pass.....that got nowhere near its man,Buxton tackled, or rather did nt tackle, like a fairy by the by line. Admittedly he never panicked, nor made a "last ditch" tackle so hated by most derby fansafter these simple, un pressured errors...keogh then made a mistake and did not sweep,up and tidy up Bucko's errors.......which you and many many others forget abouti have no beef with Bucko, very solid player. I detest the biased simplistic view that Keogh fuked up. anyway, in interests of debate...name the keogh errors that cost us games. (Chelsea had a big Bucko error in it.......the keogh error occurs after Omar screwed up bigtime.....keogh won the ball back in a tackle but the tackle sent the ball straight to Fabregas....Bucko then failed to make a challenge and our midfield were slow coming back as Omar should have given grant the ball to clear down field which is where our midfielders were heading....... don't let facts get in the way of you getting rid of our best defender and captainKeoghs tackle fell to Fabregas? Really? So he didn't dally on the ball and pass it straight to him? Keogh not a fault at Wembley? The ball fell to him in the box and all he needed to do was wallop it, or control it. He did neither. Don't let the facts get in the way of your love for an average defender and poor captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belper Ram 1988 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I can confirm WBA's complete non interest in this player. At this time our main central defensive target is Steven caulkerthat'll be a caulker of a signing :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Where does all this rubbish about him not being a captain or leader of men come from?He has captained for Coventry, Derby and Republic of Ireland under a number of managers.But those who doubt his credentials obviously know better based on what exactly? I'm more inclined to believe those that have employed him in the role than some bloke who has never met him. It beggars belief - so next time someone says he's not a leader of men, I want to see reasoned arguments as to why that is not the case. Finally, looking at his personal record would make you believe that he is better than some numpties who abuse him would suggest.Bristol CityYoung Player of the Year: 2006–07Carlisle UnitedPlayer of the Year: 2009–10Coventry CityPlayer of the Year: 2010–11, 2011–12Players' Player of the Year: 2011–12Derby CountyPlayer of the Year: 2012–13Players' Player of the Year: 2012–13Supporters' Player of the Year: 2012–13PFA Championship Team of the Year: 2014-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashz09 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 When you look at that you'd think he'd be a world beater! Not doubting his heart but his mistakes are so... yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Show me a footballer who doesn't make mistakes and show you santa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Where does all this rubbish about him not being a captain or leader of men come from?He has captained for Coventry, Derby and Republic of Ireland under a number of managers.But those who doubt his credentials obviously know better based on what exactly? I'm more inclined to believe those that have employed him in the role than some bloke who has never met him. It beggars belief - so next time someone says he's not a leader of men, I want to see reasoned arguments as to why that is not the case. Finally, looking at his personal record would make you believe that he is better than some numpties who abuse him would suggest.Bristol CityYoung Player of the Year: 2006–07Carlisle UnitedPlayer of the Year: 2009–10Coventry CityPlayer of the Year: 2010–11, 2011–12Players' Player of the Year: 2011–12Derby CountyPlayer of the Year: 2012–13Players' Player of the Year: 2012–13Supporters' Player of the Year: 2012–13PFA Championship Team of the Year: 2014-15Case closed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 My only argument against Keogh is his desire to go to ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazram80 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Buxton cost us wembley..gave ball away to llow their only attack of last 30minutes hitting a Hollywood pass.....that got nowhere near its man,Buxton tackled, or rather did nt tackle, like a fairy by the by line. Admittedly he never panicked, nor made a "last ditch" tackle so hated by most derby fansafter these simple, un pressured errors...keogh then made a mistake and did not sweep,up and tidy up Bucko's errors.......which you and many many others forget abouti have no beef with Bucko, very solid player. I detest the biased simplistic view that Keogh fuked up. anyway, in interests of debate...name the keogh errors that cost us games. (Chelsea had a big Bucko error in it.......the keogh error occurs after Omar screwed up bigtime.....keogh won the ball back in a tackle but the tackle sent the ball straight to Fabregas....Bucko then failed to make a challenge and our midfield were slow coming back as Omar should have given grant the ball to clear down field which is where our midfielders were heading....... don't let facts get in the way of you getting rid of our best defender and captainI would go one further and say that there were three errors that day forsyth 1st with a pathetic attempt at positioning himself at the throw in then bucko then Keogh. That is long long gone though, We all have views on who is better / worse etc, im not going in to that but for me if we were offered 4 Million for any of our defenders I think Derby would be mad not to take it. However I don't personally see anybody leaving until PC has the chance to meet them all and see them in training and make an assessment of who he will fit into his plans. 1 thing that probably is going to happen is if we sign shackell I would expect that at least 2 maybe 3 of the current defensive squad would be moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Case closed!! i agree Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 My only argument against Keogh is his desire to go to ground.You can take the boy out of Ireland, but you can't take Ireland out of the boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Not sure how a rumour which was squashed within an hour of surfacing by several journalists has reached 11 pages.To summarise: no one has, nor will, offer £4m for Keogh, but if they did, we'd snap their hand off quicker than you could say "Keogh looks like that guy who was on X Factor last year". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Keoghs tackle fell to Fabregas? Really? So he didn't dally on the ball and pass it straight to him? No Keogh gave the ball to Hazard then Keogh tackled Hazard to make up for the mistake, when he tackled Hazard the ball fell kindly for Fabergas, who then passed it to Hazard as Keogh went to close him. When Hazard had the ball none of Buxton, Forsyth or Christie (who were all in between him and the goal) went to close him down and all just stood and watched him shoot.There have been a few goals where a number of mistakes by more than 1 player/players not doing enough and Keogh has either made the 1st mistake (Chelsea) or been the last to not do enough (Reading/QPR) and it becomes Keogh's fault. There is no consistency for placing the blame other than on Keogh regardless who else has made a mistake before or after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 he is. Buxton makes all the noises about fighting for the shirt and associated guff, grits his teeth a lot and looks like he's trying harder than others because he needs to try harder than others.Some people love him for that but it doesn't make him a better defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Keogh is a liability and the sooner he goes the better, whether for 1m or 4m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ram Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Keogh is a liability since wembley and the sooner he goes the better, whether for 1m or 4m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 he was a liability before Wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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