Oldben
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I'm not looking forward to League One.
I'm not looking forward to the team we are likely to be able to afford to field next season.
I'm not confident we will be promoted in the first season in League one.
I'm looking forward to seeing the team saved, and a huge rebuild.
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free agent recommendations...
Korey Smith - 31 year old, who plays as a midfielder for Swansea City.
Connor Mahoney - 25 year, who plays as a winger for EFL Championship club Millwall.
Joe Rafferty - a 28 year old left back who plays for Preston North End.
Ciaron Brown - 24 year old, oxford United, who played on loan for Cardiff this season.
Brandon Barker - 25 year old, left sided winger, who plays for reading.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Ashley_(businessman)
Rangers
In October 2014, Ashley owned an 8.92% stake in Rangers International Football Club (RIFC), the parent company of Scottish football club Rangers. The Scottish Football Association rejected Ashley's request to raise his shareholding in RIFC to 29.9%, due to the fact he already owned a large amount of Newcastle United shares, which was seen as a conflict of interest.
In January 2015, Rangers fans protested against Mike Ashley's plans to secure a £10 million loan using the club's stadium as security. Some Rangers supporter groups heavily criticised Ashley and expressed major concern and distrust about his nature and purpose of his intentions. On 23 June 2017, Ashley sold his entire Rangers shareholding to Club 1872 and Julian Wolhardt.
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Reading through the lines, you gey what you pay for, to head of the hijacking of offers, you need to pay above the odds for quality players.
Dcfc from next season, will soon learn that free agents and loans, don't get the job done.
Some money will need to be spent to replace players who are leaving.
To many areas where dcfc need to strengthen.
In a League where Sunderland, Ipswich, West brom and Portsmouth are spending a seasons trying to escape the league and where they've got strong teams having spent money over time building those teams.
Where derby can't expect an easy ride to promotion.
Where dcfcs tactics this season reflected a weakness in the team, but where the formation selected, didn't necessarily lend itself to winning games.
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My thoughts ...
Mm prepared to make offer on stadium, a bargain basement 22 million instead of the 25 million he had wanted.
Hardly call that prepared to make an offer.
Generosity knows no bounds.
He leaves derby 60+ million in debt, part of which is a loan against the stadium for 30 million to msd.
The lucky new owner has to agree to a repayment plan with msd before paying off mm separately.
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Wondering if Punjabi Rams know the identity of the business person looking to buy the stadium from MM, to keep the ck deal alive.
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What happened to dcfc fans protest yo remove mm of his cbe.
Surely, that's ago, if he doesn't help save dcfc, a mess he's responsible for.
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Hm ... 500k to remove 20% sell on fee is good news for Liverpool.
It's not good news for Derby.
Let's say Liverpool sell him for 10 million when he's 21, which isn't that high for a 21 year old Premier league player.
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Hopefully next season, we will be starting the bounce as we start our first match.
Not a bounce to celebrate playing in league one but because MM has nothing more to do with dcfc.
I would be equally happy if the grounds out of mm hands, and dcfc is saved, to have a summer music concert to raise funds for the club and welcome the new owner.
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Just now, Bris Vegas said:
So much baseless speculation in this thread, especially regarding Mel Morris and his intentions.
Well he's left the club 60 million plus in debt and without a stadium so know its not baseless, that require a lack of truth on this.
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21 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:
It’s Q that needs to use this to force him to pay off MSD
Agreed.
I actually think that this would help, he's got other businesses and to be banned from owning them due to his mismagement of Derby would be great.
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You can be banned ('disqualified') from being a company director if you don't meet your legal responsibilities. Anyone can report a company director's conduct as being 'unfit'. 'Unfit conduct' includes: allowing a company to continue trading when it can't pay its debts.
A director can be disqualified for a number of reasons, including wrongful trading, fraudulent trading or 'unfit' conduct. Failing to adhere to your duties as a director will result in an investigation and disqualification. This guide is based on the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986 (CDDA).
I wondered if anyone has reported mm as an unfit director over dcfc.
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Rooney says that the least preferable option would be a ground share.
However, he doesn't rule that out as without a ground to play in, the team can't play.
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Det suggests a solution to the stadium, might be a ground share with Stoke or Leicester.
I like that idea.
It would leave mm with a stadium he can't get much money for or rent.
Who would would rent pride Park if it wasn't used by a football stadium, and knocking down pride Park to building housing would cost to much.
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Business isn't about morality, technically it perhaps should be.
In reality I don't see any reason why mm would sell the club for £1.
A few years ago Arsenal offer Luiz saurez a transfer fee and the then manager Arsene Wenger said he'd pay just £1 pound more to sign him on a take it or leave it deal, strangely they didn't sign the player.
And at least that deal offered, 40 million plus £1.
For mm to sell the player for just £1 wouldn't make much sense to him, to most derby fans it would make sense.
There's an argument that it makes sense for the council to buy derby and rent the club to ck.
It makes logical sense and is profitable I'm the long term for Derby council to do that.
I think that most people know that local authorities are run on sound business sense.
I was hoping that ck takes over the msd debt rather than pays the debt off, and that the debt was something that mm personally owed to msd. Then it might be a simple matter to tell mm, you give dcfc pride Park in exchange for not having to pay off the debt owed against pride Park.
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The lower leagues in English football are rapidly modernising, they have moved away from the old-school long ball and physical styles of play to more expansive and attacking football with teams even using positional play systems.
That implies that Derby could be in trouble next season without at least two quality strikers. Derby need at least one 15 goal a season player.
They also need attacking midfielders.
I think it will be interesting, not only to see who is brought in but how the team adapts to new tactics.
In my opinion derby have been forced to play formations that they might not have selected to play if they had a full squad and a least a degree of quality and available substitutions for each position.
The best teams in League one are not reliant on free agents and players at the end of their careers.
In any case the competition for the best loan signings and free agents will be won by the championship teams, and then the left overs thought over by the best league one clubs.
Lawrences goal tally this season, wouldnt be considered significant in league one, just look at the league one top scorers table.
League one is a physical league.
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Before completely blaming the efl, i think its worth while looking at a partial cause of the rot.
One thing that might have prevented derbys current plight is an independent regulator, here discussed ...
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Recommend George Hirst, now his loan at Portsmouth comes to an end, 15 goals in total this season.
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54 minutes ago, StarterForTen said:
The thing is, the Council owning the stadium will NOT have any effect on it's ability to fund the provision of core services to City of Derby rates payers. Public bodies like the City Council have access to centrally-provided capital project funding for the building and/or protection of community assets at loan rates far more favourable than commercial business mortgages and I would be gob-smacked if the council were contemplating the purchase of the stadium with any other funding than this.
If, as has been reported, the funding is in place then I assume the caveats for qualifying for this funding have been met. I don't live in Derby any more but a council near to where I do now live - City of York - used access too this fund to build the new community stadium there, with borrowing secured at 2.9% interest.
If the same applied for Derby, borrowing £20m (assumed stadium purchase price) would cost £580,000 a year - that's about £1 for every ticket sold this season - and a bargain in terms of funding. I don't know, but I would guess the cost of servicing the Dell loan is three times that level.
The Council will only be exposed if the Club can't pay the ground rent at some point in the future.
I don't see why the money wouldn't be there through ground sponsorship, either in full or in part of the take from that.
Then a proportion of season tickets.
What about money raised from food/drink on the site, and a proportion of the take from the merchandise shop.
Then maybe the council owns the pride park parking, and gets a revenue stream from that.
If they run some other events like music concerts or weddings in the off season, that should return capital for the council if they bought the club.
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24 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:
After a bit of simple maths - that would equate to each adult Rams fan spending around £400 at Every home game per season.Some won’t even pay for parking. I would imagine the Council would have to do some serious studies to see exactly how much of an asset the ground would be.
Its not so much about whether the council run it, or whether the council fund a project to find a buyer for the ground.
There will be financial backers who would possibly look favourably on taking on the ground, in the same way financial backing was found via msd for a loan towards pride park.
I think that there will be businesses interested in taking on the ground.
Firms like land securities run large building projects and make money from those businesses.
Example: ground is valued at 20 million, but the grounds owner can make 5 to 6 million a year from renting out the ground, then that can be of interest to someone buying and running the ground. Even at 3 million a year, that could be of interest.
I think those returns are valid given a cut of the advertising revenue plus the rent, plus a proportion of the merchandising sold at the clubs grounds, a proportion of the food and drink sold at the ground.
Then there's money raised from other events helds at the ground.
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I've read that dcfc brings in around 100 million a year to the local community.
Creating jobs etc
I've read that dcfc are in the running for an award for the work that they do with local community, especially this year under difficult circumstances for the club.
I've read that the club's financial links to a lot of local businesses is essential for those businesses survival.
I've read that people say the council shouldn't be considering whether they have the funds to buy the club even if that means substantial guaranteed revenue for them from renting it back to ck.
In my opinion, an argument that the money should be spent on council services only at this time is flawed considering the above.
As we stand on the brink of a recession, people feel they need to have an outlet for how the reduction of stress and for families to be able to do something locally and I believe dcfc helps with that.
It's my hope that mm who at this point in time should have zero chance of passing the efls own fit for purpose test, shouldn't continue to control dcfc.
In Germany fans are legally required to own a portion of their football team, in derby fans who elected local councillors and who pay council tax, now potentially have a chance via the council to indirectly own a share in dcfc
If the council does buy it, I hope that members of the public might get a voice on ideas on the way the ground is run.
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Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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