Oldben
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Just now, David said:
With all due respect, you have no idea which players will be available on loan this summer unless you have spoken to all the clubs and agents.
Also to suggest we’re not likely to score more than 15 goals this season when Crewe finished rock bottom with 37 goals, it’s a tad dramatic to say the least.
Misunderstanding, I'm not saying that we would score less than 15 goals.
I'm saying we need a striker who scorers at least 15 goals
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-one/top-scorers
The top two strikers this season played for Sunderland and Wigan.
11 goals in season would barely be noticed in the high scoring league one.
Last time I checked the vast majority of free agents and loam platers that Derby might be able to sign in League one, we're not likely to score more than 15 goals a season
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Looking forward to see who the new striker will be.
This leaves derby without a quality striker for league 1.
A quality striker is a player capable of scoring more than 15 goals in a season.
Derby will need to spend to bring that player in.
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Derbys free agent summer ...
Tom Lawrence
Curtis Davies
Ravel Morrison
Richard Stearman
Ryan Allsop
Malcolm Ebiowei
Eiran Cashin
Kelle Roos
Craig Forsyth
Liam Thompson
Nathan Byrne
Isaac Hutchinson
Colin Kazim-Richards
Louie Watson
Bartosz Cybulski
Osazee Aghatise
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None of this is surprising.
I don't expect derby to be promoted next season.
I don't expect derby to be competitive next season, the team has to have a complete rebuild.
Derby will have many weak areas, that I feel certain will not be strengthened by loan players willing to play in League 1 or by over the hill free agents that were not already snapped up by championship teams.
I think derby have 3 years in League 1, while the debt to creditors is repaid.
Not sure any of this matters, as it least there will be a club.
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22 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:
I'll add one more thing on to this.
I get the sense that these strange honours that people are trying to bestow on Rooney come from the fact that a lot of public officials have been drawn into the Derby County saga over the last six months. Councillors, MPs, etc, who wouldn't usually give a flying duck about football or Derby County, aside from when it suits their political needs.
I don't know whether I'm being overly cynical here, but I do wonder whether this is a bit of a publicity stunt for said public officials.
Hm ... I would have thought that in the thoughts of local politicians, might be the 100 million a year that dcfc brings to the city.
The hundreds of jobs either directly working for dcfc, for one of their suppliers or else who's businesses profit when football matches encourage thousands to the city, who might not other wise visit derby.
Maybe these same politicians care about the work with the community that dcfc does, and for which I believe that dcfc won an award this year.
Maybe these local politicians just wanted to honour rooney for doing as much as he could to stop the club from ceasing to exist.
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Paul Jewell, Nigel Pearson, Terry Westley and Phillip Cocu were the greatest managers thar the club ever had.
The 6-0 loss to Aston villa on 12 April 2008, was a wonderful game.
What a great player Florian Jozefzoon was.
I loved watching Gianfranco Labarthe and Emanuel Villa play for us.
Ruben Zadkovich was a brilliant player for us.
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Looks like Alan Nixon was correct.
So no sale until the stadiums dealt with.
Is this Friday deadline day for ck take over?
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4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
What we might want and what we can afford will perhaps be two different things.
How much do you think a recognised '20 plus goals a season player' plus cover? would cost! ?
That's dependent on if there or a League Two player or from a poor quality team in League one.
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3 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:
Curtis, Jags, Gregory... Ok ?♀️
They have almost zero resale value.
At their age, their unlikely to improve.
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We shouldnt sign old players, with near zero sell on value.
L1 is a physical league, that kind of player, will not help derby.
Yes we will be budget restricted.
We most need to fill the attack positions, so I'd buy there first.
We need a 20 plus goals a season player, but if they get injured ...
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As long as the majority of dcfc players better than these, we will be OK.
Wait, there not, I guess we need to strengthen our team.
That team recognises two key strikers scoring above 15 goals a season ...
Sunderland goal machine Ross Stewart as he earned a WhoScored.com rating of 7.41. The Black Cats player score 24 times in League One this season and won more man-of-the-match awards (12) than any other player. An additional three assists helped Stewart to a spot in the side.
With a rating of 7.49, Wycombe striker Sam Vokes is the WhoScored.com League One player of the season. The 32-year-old scored 16 times and laid on an additional seven assists as the Chairboys booked a playoff spot. Vokes more aerial duels (447) than any other player in England's third tier this season, while 133 shots was the fifth most in the division to help the Wales striker to the individual award.
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6 hours ago, Heisenberg said:
£3m rated Scott Twine who has got all the top clubs in the Championship chasing him?
We’re going to be under a very strict business plan for the foreseeable future, as per EFL rules.
People need to tamper their expectations on who and how much we are able to spend over the next 2/3 transfer windows.
I’d be amazed if we signed anything other than free agents and loan deals next season.
Can't do that as could easily lead to relegation.
I do agree expectation can't be for absolute best players, but buying players as well as free agents is a must.
If we sign players older than 32, theres a season in them but then they could still be playing for us, thats senseless.
A 35 year old striker will not score above 10 goals in a season, and we require a 20 goal a season strike if we are to compete in league 1.
Two years we've spent almost nothing on players, it's enough.
Efl are likely to place restrictions on signings until after the debt situation is sorted, but they are not saying transfers can't be made.
L1 is physical fast moving, with some former Premier league teams already playing in it.
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1 hour ago, SirBrian said:
The academy may be barren at the moment, one advantage that the academy as, is Darren Wassel and his staff who have proven over the years how good they are in finding lads who have been let go by premier clubs, Plange was one who came via this route.
Any young player would love to come to Derbys academy, with the success and ammount of players who have come through and are making their living in the PL or Championship, once again the academy will be our way forward in the revival of Derby County.
I agree with you, I'm just saying that the academy requires time to rebuild.
Players take time to step up.
I'm concerned about players the wrong side of 32 being relied on as well, so we get linked with Bardsley.
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Succeeding in League one
Spend Big?
The riskiest strategy is to keep spending at a division higher level. Many minor league teams overspend to get a shot at the big level. To avoid spending a season in the second division, these teams typically lose their great players who do not want to go down with the ship.
Bringing in proven talent and expertise has significant benefits. These are usually excellent players who can be sold when things don't go as planned. They can also mentor your junior squad members. Their reliability makes them the backbone of your team.
However, their salary and transfer fees might be high. There's also no assurance a transfer will go as planned, so when every dollar counts, they are risky bets. These people may be a costly to Derby if the club fails to reclaim the championship tier.
However its true that those teams that have spent the most are mostly in the playoffs or looking at automatic promotion.
Spend Smart?
Losing a division generally means wage cuts, so finding cheap replacements is crucial. It's important to be able to quickly and economically replace players. You should aim for certain players.
1. Emerging youngsters;
2. The out-of-contract established players;
3. Rejects from a top club.
Even successful transfers may fail for unexplained reasons, but strong scouting can reduce chances of that happening.
Next free agents, a manager knows that one man's garbage is another's treasure. The listings of retired players may include some hidden gems, although old legs don’t go so far especially in the physical league one.
Next Loan players, a disadvantage of a loan is that some players are too young to make an immediate impression. However, some can compete and even flourish at lesser levels.
Bargain older players have drawbacks. An old player with season or two is all you'll sign on a bargain. Injured or physically declining players will be the most common ones you sign. Your scouts matter. Without a network, there will be no transactions.
Focus On The Academy?
Benefits Of …
1. It’s cheap
2. The fans usually love it
3. It’s long term planning
Disadvantages
1. The academy is largely barren, many of our best talents been sold already or are likely to leave in the summer.
2. Youngsters often fail and are inconsistent
3. It’s long term planning, and its unhealthy for Derby to spend a long time in league one as there’s little financial return in league one
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11 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said:
Nail on the head there Kevin...Failure!, They failed to protect a fellow member from being screwed over by a fellow member, What are they there for?...end of school report...should do better, More concerned with looking after themselves...not a team player.
I think there's relevance, yet also a mute point.
You have to know which battles to fight.
The efl isn't a winnable battle unless the majority of other league members of the efl association guarantee their support and they will not do so.
Dcfc agreed to abide by the rules of the efl when they became members of the efl association.
Unless dcfc wish to withdraw their membership of the efl, they have to work with and abide by the rules of the efl.
I agree that Derby could have stopped the spurious boro and Wycombe claims, but they didn't.
I say that the efl don't fully support its members and probably needs to change, but aside from a majority vote in favour of dcfc, that's not going to happen.
The efl didn't failed Bury fc and derby fc, but they will not change on their own.
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32 minutes ago, I know nuffin said:
Don't forget man city and west ham
My point is, those football grounds are making money from running the grounds.
Clever merchandising, advertising, marketing is generating sustainable profits.
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Hull fc stadium, council owned
Ipswich fc stadium, council owned
These stadiums, a few example of grounds under different ownership than the club.
Most of these stadiums make money.
They make money by owning the grounds revenue streams ie food/drink, shops etc
They make money by taking the a portion of the advertising revenue, or by holding separate events ie weddings, music, other sports etc
They make money from the renting the ground.
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Now at last with ck as the new owner, perhaps we can take legal action against Wycombe for pursuing dcfc with a baseless claim.
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6 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:
I guess in future any club that "cheats" for any reason and either takes points off us preventing a play off place or ensuring a relegation place is fair game for a long drawn out claim. Same goes for any club really.
Wycombe fc case against dcfc centred on a timeline, dcfc we were accused of delaying efl requested information returns and thereby wycombe fc were relegated.
The reason it was an empty case is that Derby didn't failure to meet deadlines set by the efl, they might have submitted the information on the last available day or be given an extension by the efl and submitted on the last available day for that.
In any case, they didn't breach the submission dates set by the efl, and as a direct result of which causes wycombe fc to be relegated.
Wycombe fc were wrongly in the Championship in the first place, they didn't get there by winning games, the efl promoted them by ending the league 1 season early due to covid, the season before.
The efl decided to manually calculate who should be promoted and then promoted that team, in this case wycombe fc.
Once in the Championship, wycombe fc were seen to be unfit for a place in the Championship.
Once there they simply were not good enough to warrant a place in the Championship and got relegated.
The wycombe fc owner being a chancer, decided to try and get millions for nothing and made a claim against dcfc.
If dcfc had money they could have taken the claim to court and received a payout worth a lot, as a false claim was made against them.
Wycombe fc like boro, knew they didn't have a valid case and that dcfc couldn't afford to defend itself.
The wycombe fc owner maintained that dcfc cost his club millions through their relegation, but the fault lies with him.
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4 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:
Agree. And none of it is simple. But the idea we have legal recourse against them is highly questionable (that was what I was on about )
Knowing which battles are worth fighting, is wisdom.
Making the efl our enemy, when they set the rules of the game is foolhardy.
We are better of leaving this to the politicians, and hopefully there will be an independent regulator.
Other clubs might criticise Derby for recent events, but that doesn't matter, because one day it will be there turn to ask for help and Derby might not be in their corner.
What is coming has to better for the club, than what the club has just been through.
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2 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:
There is no ‘conflict’. EFL had no problem with us cramming down Gibbo’s claim. And following the cram down, the claim would have ceased to exist. It’s just we would have had (more) points deducted as a result
You might just as well say: “filing for administration was perfectly in accordance with insolvency law, so it’s contrary to insolvency law for the EFL to apply a points deduction
Conservative MP Damian Collins, a former chair of the digital, culture, media and sport committee, said it was the EFL's failure to punish Derby at the time which has caused the current chaos.
"If the EFL had enforced its own financial rules effectively this wouldn't have happened," said Collins. "And yet it is the EFL's own rules that will trigger the expulsion of Derby from the league."
EFL as a governing body deserves opprobrium for today’s situation too. Its tardiness in dealing with these initial rule breaches, the lack of clarity over its FFP regulations, coupled with years of wrangling on charges for which the club was eventually cleared, led to prolonged uncertainty for Derby and, more significantly, to other clubs becoming increasingly aggrieved.
The efl are guilty by failure to act on the boro and Wycombe spurious claims.
The EFL’s judgment on whether they are indeed football debts crucial. According to Derby’s administrators, the EFL was unwilling to clarify this, imperilling a Derby takeover. That left the club scrambling to find ways to prove they could afford to see out the season by the EFL-imposed deadline of February 1.
It’s difficult not to conclude that we’ve seen gross EFL incompetence throughout this saga. A worthy governance institution should enforce rules in a timely manner and offer clarity. The FFP regulations are specifically supposed to ensure that members cannot get into these situations. On those grounds, the EFL has failed.
The efl failed derby in reflecting the effect of lost revenue due to covid.
Julian Knight, the chairman of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee pointed out the EFL had benefited from financial assistance itself, during the Covid crisis.
'In light of that, it is beholden on the EFL to show decency and understanding to Derby County, a former league champion club, in this their hour of need,' he said.
I don't want to keep rehashing these things, but for me, without question, the efl are not innocent km the Derby county situation.
Would things have been different if dcfc had am owner with financial clout to bring in lawyers to defend itself, we might never know, and now thanks to ck, another chapter of dcfc cab be written.
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5 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:
I have nothing against Wycombe but want to see them got totally hammered today.
tin pot club with a scavenger stoolman
never forget or forgive
Everything I've read about the wycombe vs dcfc said that wycombe fc had zero case to answer, but that wycombe fc were chancers.
Wycombe fc will be laughing at us, if they get promoted. A relegated season, and straight back to the Championship.
I definitely want to face wycombe fc and beat them next season, but we can't do that if they are promoted.
Captain Tom Lawrence
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Scorers over 15 goals, and league position:
1. Wigan
Keane 26 goals, Lang 18 goals;
2. Rotherham
Smith 19 goals
3. Mk dons
Twine 20 goals
4. Sheffield Wednesday
Gregory 17 goals
5. Sunderland
Stewart 26 goals
6. Wigan
Vokes 17 goals
7. Plymouth
Hardie 19 goals
8. Oxford
Taylor 22 goals