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2 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

I think Warne thought that he could come here, implement the tactics and game plans used at Rotherham, with better players and it would be a doddle.

Only problem is, he has struggled to recruit suitable players in 2 windows now.

David McGoldrick and Haydon Roberts had both seen enough and weren't persuaded to stay..

Like a pilot who has flown little cesena airplanes for years and stepping into a bigger a380 airbus and assuming if he applies what he has learnt but with a bigger and better plane he will be able to fly it. 

Warne won't be here next season, I think that much has been clear for a long time now, to me at least, because next year's recruitment will be massive for the club, I can't see Clowes giving Warne another 2 windows.

"David McGoldrick and Haydon Roberts had both seen enough and weren't persuaded to stay."

McGoldrick has chosen to return to his first club and Roberts to sign for a club at a higher level and your comment "seen enough" has no evidence to support it. 

1 hour ago, trappatoni said:

I guess it depends what you like from football but I enjoyed the football under Rosenior.   When you think he hardly had McGoldrick available - where would we have finished under Warne without McGoldrick - I honestly don't think top half would have been definite.  

 

Sacking him (ok not appointing him as permanent manager) looked an odd decision at the time - it makes me fear Clowes' views on the game are decades out of date and he's going to keep on appointing similar types. 

"Decades out of date"

What an absurd statement

2 hours ago, sage said:

Collins finishing cost Rosenoir his job. Missed 5 good chances in those 3 away games.

 

Who signed Collins?

1 hour ago, S8TY said:

Interesting to see that some Warne fans are slowly turning and I'm one of them 

Absurd to judge on this bonkers game.

Early injury to Rooney
Handball in their pen ignored
We put the ball in the net yet have to score via a penalty
Smith foul - was it outside the area?
Why didn't the lino flag for Wildsmith  handling outside the area and subsequent red card, yet the ref makes the decision after speaking to him
Foul on Bradley in their pen ignored
Bolton defender handling in their pen ignored

Not that Warne doesn't have questions to answer over some of his decisions, but the worst thing is having to wait 2 weeks to be able to start to put things right

3 hours ago, littleover ram said:

Bye Paul. You’re a good PE teacher but a bit too small time mentality for here. So long. 

 

How many promotions have you achieved from league one?

1 hour ago, duncanjwitham said:

I really don’t know why you’re struggling with this.  It’s not even really a criticism of Warne specifically, more of changing the style of manager radically, 10 games into a complete rebuild. The second we did that, any pretence of stability was gone. If we’d signed Warne in the summer, let him build a squad and then sacked him for Rosenior after 10 games it would probably have been the same.

So any people wanting stability in the short term are not going to get it, whether we keep Warne or not. We’ve signed 10 players this summer, and probably moved as many out.  We’ll probably do the same next summer.  That’s the definition of dismantling a squad, and pretty much the definition of instability IMO.

I don't struggle with following what you are saying but more its relevance now. How does the number of players we have  signed compare with other clubs? Not too far from the mean I would think (can't be bothered to do the research). Your comments ignore the possibility we could have been promoted last season or indeed this which would lead to another rebuild anyway. 

7 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

we need to be realistic. There were several excellent performances yesterday and the new signings gave cause for optimism.  But on goals we lost the second half - we didn’t manage the game well after a stunning spell in the first half, we let the madness continue -  and on several occasions we looked very ragged at the back. Two clearances off the line (or was it 3?) The uncertainty around Cashin does not help but we will have little chance of automatics without continued improvement at the back 

With a 3 goal lead, an away team will often lose the second half. A late consolation goal is nothing to justify moistening one's underwear. Get real!

It does not help to ignore the actual 2nd game of the season, especially when the first half display provoked such an audible critical reaction.

Warne will be given plenty of time, deservedly so, but today it would help if some of his new signings displayed why they were signed.

Having had a season ticket in the early 1970s, yes!

DCFC have zero chance of another European Cup semi-final whilst I am drawing breath.

But since then there have been some great times, most recently the 2021/22 season when we saw on the pitch a totally commited squad and off it a united community fighting to ensure the club survived. Being in the Premier League is not the be all and end all for me so I continue to be a season ticket holder, not least as we have the best owner for many years

1 hour ago, Kokosnuss said:

 

Rosenior - Starts almost from scratch. Given a rebuilding job, gets 9 league games. Builds a good team very quickly and does well enough managing it for the brief spell he was allowed to but ultimately gets replaced.  Eternally slagged off for his play style and his positive results dismissed because we sometimes won without playing all that well. Negative results picked apart and blamed on his football rather than the situation he's working in, for which very few f**** are given by certain posters. Negative results from his time working with Rooney attached solely to him, ignoring the positives.

Warne - takes over a squad expected to be top six in League One  (the lowest quality of opposition we've played across a season in 35+ years) and has the resources to finish there but there's not any real pressure to do so because fans remember where we were over the summer. He doesn't have any major injuries to deal with, no off-field controversies - he can just get on with the job he's been brought in to do. Negative results excused because it's not his squad, nothing he could do differently etc, and the unbeaten run (which wasn't actually all-that impressive points wise) being pointed to as some sort of miraculous achievement that proves him beyond question, anybody doubting him is anti-warne and should be called out for it.

The contrast between these last paragraphs demonstrate a selective one-eyed approach - every allowance for Rosenior none for Warne.

There have been unreasonable expectations of both of them but we will never know what outcome we would have seen if the Owner had made a different decision regarding a permanent replacement for Rooney

16 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

500k basic and another 2.5 mill if they stay up, for 4 games.  Footballs gone insane.

The dinosaur has gone public in claiming he has a better football knowledge than Pep, Klopp etc.

Leeds going down and Allardyce failing as he did with West Brom will be so sweet!

3 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

I know I've been a grumpy poster this year, but what a season it's been. Just focusing on the pitch and not worrying that the next time I go through the turnstiles might be the last has been such a lovely feeling. The support has been amazing tbh I expected us to average 23-24,000, but to average 27-28,000 in the third division is unreal. Rarely have I heard the fans moan at games or boo except when we have been particularly poor such as against Fleetwood at home. 

It would be a fairytale if we were to get promoted, but if we don't, that's okay too. After having a few years of struggle, I won't complain at seeing us win more than lose, even if it is in the third division. 

Like you I don't mind if we get promoted or not. Last season was a miserable experience but it saw a tremendous unity and a bond between supporters and players - we saw they really cared, relegation was down to others. That bond remains, as the attendance figures show. 

My neighbour is a Blades fan and everything he has said to me about David McGoldrick has been confirmed by what we have seen on the pitch. What a player, hopefully he will be with us next season!

2 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

Given we have to face a few half decent teams, we won’t manage it. We’re incapable of beating anyone other than teams like Forest Green who should be playing down Allestree Park they’re that bad

FGR beat Sheffield Wednesday! That is just one fact, and there are plenty of others, that should mean the opinions stated in your post can safely be ignored

7 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

That's the one.  Unfortunately, we had a Foletti in goal for Unsworths freekicks the week after, when we lost 4-3 to a poor Everton side who should have gone instead. 

Strupar's goals in that Everton game were something special.

Gregory, as a manager, would never be able to get the best from Kinkladze

12 hours ago, angieram said:

Let's face it, Bird, Knight and Sibley are THE dream team.

It'll never happen under Warne! 

Dream team but for reasons different to what happens on the pitch.

Hourihane's selection by the manager is justified by what I see and WhoScored

4 hours ago, angieram said:

I agree with this and whilst I know Warne has limited options from the bench he could have brought on players who know how to retain the ball and calmed things down.

Plymouth went to three at the back but again Warne didn't react until we were chasing the game.

And then he brings on a random assortment of mis-matched subs who don't appear to know what position they're playing. I've never seen such a waste of Sibley's talents. And don't get me started on Collins - I would rather see Cybulski getting the odd sub runout than him. At least Bart knows how to hold up the ball and lay it off without giving away a foul every time! 

I would like to see Warne take some responsibility in his post-match interviews, rather than just calling out his players. Although I have a certain sympathy where Hourihane is concerned! 

On the penalty, it should be an automatic three match ban for players who cheat. Until then, players will continue to get away with this shocking play-acting.

Small consolations. I take no pride (but 5 points) in getting tonight's prediction spot-on. And I'm enjoying a cold beer back at my hotel rather than dodging motorway roadworks and a 4 am return to Derby. I might regret it tomorrow if it snows hard overnight! 

Unfair and ridiculous.

Ask Matlock fans their thoughts on Cybulski !

Unlike non-league Nigel, Warne does not call out his players by name, and tonight was a rare time he may have done so collectively.

That Sibley is constantly proffered as a solution has little connection with what happens on the pitch, he came off second best too many times tonight.

28 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

Everyone knows players are taught to go down in the box - touch or no touch.

At the end of the day, as a opposition player, if you move towards the ball, you have to win it.

If you don’t, you give the referee a decision to make.

Tough to take, but you only have to look at the last 20 minutes to see that the penalty decision wasn’t the reason we lost the game.

We lost our heads and never recovered from the first goal.

 

What happened in the last 20 minutes was down to the penalty that should not have been awarded, not their first deflected goal

1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said:

Pretty sure similar things were said of Paul Clement at the time.

 

Paul who?

16 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

I really don't see the point of the endless comparisons between Liam and Paul. I was and remain a Rosenior fan, but he's gone and he isn't coming back. It still smarts a little, but it's time to move on. The best we can do now, irrespective of where our loyalties lie, is to get behind the incumbent and the teams he puts out. We've morphed from being one of the most unified and staunch groups of supporters, rightly hailed by any number of neutrals last season, to the absolute polar opposite and it really isn't a good look.

This forum is miles away from what is seen on match days. We have a squad where the excellent team ethics have continued from last season and have tremendous turnouts away from home. That attendances are down is not a surprise now we are in League 1 and also playing in competitions we had never heard of previously. The problems are in the mind of the poster but at least he has has kindly agreed its time to move on.

8 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

There are such a things as reference books. Help with your research. Access to IT that some cannot afford at home. Actual books that you've not been able to steal from an illegal stream. Somewhere quiet to study. CDs and DVDs. Magazines? Lots of stuff...

That's exactly what I see in the Derbyshire library I visit and a wide age range of users/vistors

1 hour ago, duncanjwitham said:

Honestly, it’s not really changed my opinion.  The improved performance was down to 2 things, the change in formation meaning we had a lot more players playing in positions they are comfortable in, and Bristol being utterly dreadful. I would give credit to Warne if I thought he had made a conscious decision to change the formation to suit the players, rather than injuries forcing it, but he actively went out of his way post-match to make it clear he pretty much picks formations at random to squeeze in the players he wants, so no credit there.  And I have no faith in him sticking with the formation when everyone is fit again. Plus it’s hard to judge how much of the result was down to us playing well and them playing badly, especially when 3 of the goals were absolute defensive howlers from them.

I still think he’s a very limited manager, that has one trick to win games, and if it doesn’t work he’s clueless. And I don’t like the way he wants his football played.  But I said elsewhere in this thread that if he’d come in and taken Rosenior’s system and just put his own twist on it, then he’d have gotten a lot more slack from fans.  And I think that’s basically what we saw today. That 4231/422 system we played was close to how we were lining up for most of Rosenior’s games, but we just moved the ball forward a lot more aggressively.  He made a rod for his own back by trying to tear everything up and just re-run his Rotherham system with a completely different bunch of players.

 

Confused, contradictory nonsense, most especially your description of the goals we scored. He has not tried to " tear everything up", and the results give every reason for future confidence

4 hours ago, Leicester Ram said:

Honestly really enjoyed his presser but you don’t get any league points for interviews

I am very wary of the media love in.

Rowett was maybe the most media savvy manager that we’ve had in my time (that bloke would have sent his son to North Korea if it meant he got a feature on football focus) but was also my least favourite Derby manager by a country mile and an arrogant little fraud

I see Owen Bradley tweeting ‘Paul Warne is the nicest man I’ve ever met ?’ and just remember him saying the same s*** about Paul Clement

Yeah he speaks well and is comfortable in interviews but I just don’t think that makes a successful manager

What I think you can gleam from that is actually informative:

- sitting with the rest of his staff and being social with the players, to me that sounds very self assured. Doesn’t seem like there’s an ego there, he’s not there to be the alpha male.

- Was pushed by a reporter for a Premier League quote but avoided the whole ‘get this club back where it belongs’ shtick and seemed very conscious that he may not be the one to do it (if it ever happens). Used the word ‘potentially’ a lot and just seemed very aware that football is football, he could be sacked. Lives in reality.

- already set up the idea we might not go up this year, to me it sounds like he has a two year plan and has been told by Clowes we need to be promoted out of League One by end of next season. Take into account what Rosenior said about being set a target by Clowes (that he didn’t meet) and that’s a reasonable assumption. AKA it’s a 4 year contract but really it’s 2 years.

- didn’t really pay homage to ‘how wonderful the fans are’ etc which yet again seems very assured, I don’t think he’s going to be affected by fan opinion/pressure or starting any bounces any time soon

- spoke about football as entertainment and theatre, a lot of people seemed worried we’re going to get defensive football but that quote indicates differently

Looking forward to seeing how he sets the team up on Saturday.

Rowett was a one-dimensional character of which there are thousands. In his interview Warne displayed many more layers at which he operates. Of course by Christmas we could all be thinking 4 years, WTF? 

I would have been happy for Rosenior to stay as manager but as the owner has replaced him, he has at least found a credible choice.

17 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

We do it when it suits us. Would be easy for rule changes to nullify it or cut it out 

I cannot recall seeing us do it after 20 minutes!

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

Great work.

Anyone who gave Cashin 10 though is distorting the figures. It was a great performance, but not flawless.

But who can seriously blame them after what we saw?

2 hours ago, B4ev6is said:

I know what I saw mate.

In the 1960s Reg Mathews would have done much worse for us and got away with it