Arsene Titman

Protest at the Betis game, if nothing changes protest IN GAME at the Huddersfield match and try and get the match called off. If we’re going into it with no centre backs then we’ve got nothing to lose. 

Tax evasion is illegal. What our club, and numerous other businesses practice, is tax avoidance which is completely legal.

Since when has not being able to go to a game if you are a season ticket holder meant you end up in credit? That's not the clubs fault if you can't go. 
This is a sensible and cautious approach by the club which also honours those supporters that committed to the 2021/22 season. 

Seems a sensible approach. I see many on twitter and FB are moaning and twisting it to be the club taking the fans for a ride. The sames fans would be moaning if they were being asked to pay out.
Some will see it as a sure sign of a takeover. Some see it as a sure sign of immediate administration.  There is also the fact that we may still get a points deduction which I know a number of Wednesday fans complained that they had paid for an ST for a side that was effectively relegated, as they saw it.
My view is that it's a sensible and pragmatic approach to an unprecedented situation.  The club has addressed the issue for 20/21 season ticket holders who will get their tickets without paying out. 19/20 but none 20/21 ticket holders get a discounted rate.  Everyone else can try and buy on a match by match basis. Seems eminently sensible. Will result in reduced attendances but the costs are probably offset against the burden  of managing refunds at that scale which no business wants to do.
I do think some Derby fans will be really disappointed if we get a decent ownership group....what will they have to moaning about then?

Sure, and I think that is what differing opinions are. i understand your view in light of where we are but the story is deeper, and way more subtle.
I don’t shy away from the fact that Mel made errors, including the academy dream, but for many of us that was a realistic idea / method to make the club sustainable in a financial environment that made “normal” business impossible. It might seem a crazy idea, but with the state of championship finances what other business model was available ? … answer = none … now I would be the first to admit we paid too much for players, we paid daft salaries, we sold players too cheaply bought more expensively,  we (Mel) supported managers way beyond what pragmatism would suggest but in the end that was about poor choices not lack of support or commitment. Hind sight is wonderful isn’t it .. come on .. when we went in for Johnson and others everyone was saying ….. Bold, supportive, ha ha we’ve got deep pockets uncle Mel .. yes some of us winced at the prices but it wasnt our money and it looked great at the time. 
 
Yes I agree we need a new leader but .. hello … 12 million PA losses in normal circumstances  and a pandemic inflating that x 2 along with FFP/ P+S
 any takers ? 
 
 

That’s fair enough, true ! 
 
Consider .. you had a dream, you had some money to spend, you tried your very best to achieve it. It didn’t work. It has to be either very hard or very wrong to criticise someone who eventually is forced by circumstances (rather than deeds ) to retreat. Everyone is human and everyone has finite resources. The Americans snatched Mels hands off .. they couldn’t wait to bail out, no matter how hard they tried to make a sustainable business .. one that we all said “lacked ambition” .. Truth is fans want a sugar daddy to finance their dreams … they aren’t easy to find and I can’t countenance folk having a go at Mel for doing his level best with the cards he had. Uncle Mel bailed us out of that Hughes/Bryson double injury … For me that’s where the the plan went astray .. but you can’t fault Mel for giving support when it was needed. 

Understand - and agree - with the principle, but sprinkle a little context in here and maybe Mel derserves a little more slack.  Times have changed even since his tenure began; EFL attitude & approach, the commercial perils of running an 'entertainment' business in these uncertain times to name a couple of mitigating factors.  Not offering excuses here, just saying it's never as 'black and white' (pardon the pun) as it may at first seem, imho.

One of the areas we have holes is midfield. Yes, we have a real talent in Bielik...but he's injured, we have Shinnie and Knight. Yes you may like to add the untried Watson to that group and Sibley / Lawrence....both for me more No.10's. Joz again more of a wide player. So for me we are light in quality in that area. Morrison may turn out to not make it here but I'd say that in there that there's a player that can do a job in the Championship. We cant sign any players involving a fee and we also cant sign players who want high wages....so really we're stuck in the bargain basement aren't we....so for anyone to write off players (as they do on here) before they've even kicked a ball - to me seems crazy. If the Manager has faith in them and signs them on then surely we have to support them. I think many posters on here would rather see us relegated then take on players that they dont see fit to wear the shirt. Make no mistake - another season of struggle awaits us....its all hands to the pump. I dont see any problem with the players Rooney has brought in during the close season. Are they likely to get us promotion - no....are they likely to keep us out of the bottom 3 ...maybe.

Derby Telegraph reporting that Waghorn is in talks with Coventry

Derby Telegraph reporting that Waghorn is in talks with Coventry

Derby Telegraph reporting that Waghorn is in talks with Coventry

The club has already stated that they had the alternative set of accounts pre-prepared. I suspect that they will not release them until the DC formally releases its report on the appeal. By my calculations and likewise others on here (even Kieran Maguire has u-turned) I believe we will be comfortably under the P & S thresholds.
If the EFL is not going to pursue the matter further, then yes, they will be obliged to lift the embargo. The embargo was put in place pending the outcome of the appeal. Once the appeal process is formally ended, the embargo will be lifted too. If there are any further charges to address, then yes, unfortunately it will stay in place, but keep the faith brother as I think this is highly unlikely.

All indications are from those who know accounts on here , Swiss ramble and even Maguire that DCFC will be within the limits of allowed losses 

Why are some folk so unable, unwilling or both, to assimilate a few simple facts concerning these charges? It's no small wonder that fans from other clubs have a poor opinion of us now, when some of our own fans, who ought to be better informed, are themselves the first to jump on any sniff of perceived wrongdoing. What possible benefit is there in wilfully ignoring what we know to be true in favour presupposing guilt at every corner? We've even got folk using the fact that we've not submitted the new accounts inside 48 hours as the latest stick with which to thrash the club. It simply beggars belief.
For the umpteenth time, there were two charges; one related to the valuation of our stadium and was summarily dismissed by the DC; the other related to our amortisation policy which was signed off on and approved under legal accounting standards by independent auditors, the auditors regulatory body, the DC and the ducking EFL themselves, the latter several times over a period of years. The amortisation policy charge was also initially dismissed by the DC for the aforementioned reasons. This left the EFL so desperate to save face that they appealed the decision, the outcome of which was predicted by myself and numerous others on this very thread: a small fine in order to secure the token win they need to maintain any ducking credibility at all AND NO POINTS DEDUCTION. 
At this point, I very much doubt that even the EFL will be willing to risk further embarrassment. They can kid themselves this paltry fine vindicates two years of unwarranted charges and appeals and get back to their principal role as lapdogs to Sky and the Premiership whilst paying themselves inflated salaries for doing so. As for the DC, I strongly suspect that they only agreed to what is a nominal fine in order to save the EFL from falling into further disrepute and to allow us to finally emerge from under an endless series of unfair and damaging embargos and to prevent the EFL from continuing what has become a spiteful and unwarranted campaign against a club whose chairman quite rightly questioned their business acumen. In doing so, they have vindicated Mel's opinion in spades, though the crushing irony of this has unsurprisingly escaped the EFL's notice and who will doubtless be celebrating spending millions to secure a £100k fine for their members' coffers.
If, as I strongly suspect, the EFL do not appeal this sanction, I think we will 'be the bigger man' and simply take the £100k hit in order to allow us to return to football matters rather than spending every waking hour addressing the embittered ramblings and actions of a so-called professional body that seems more intent on undermining its membership than serving it. 

Eaton Ram's reference to Rams Trust has made me wonder whether we could get something out of the EFL through a letter along the lines of the one sent to the Club recently signed by Rams Trust, Punjabi Rams, Ryan Hills etc.  The letter could ask the EFL:
How their approach meets with their stated aim of protecting clubs, particularly in respect of Derby.  Can they give any examples of where they have acted in good faith towards the club? What reassurances they can offer to DCFC staff whose jobs are under threat through the continued uncertainty Can they explain why an accounting technicality should lead to people losing their livelihoods, even when those people have had nothing to do with accounting procedures etc Is it their intention to continually appeal against any decision that does not go their way?  If so, can the explain the moral justification for such an approach? Can they also provide justification for deciding to reject an accounting practice that they had previously accepted when signing off the accounts?  Do they feel any responsibility for having made what they now seem to consider an error, and if so what redress are they making as a result? what, if any responsibility, do they feel towards the fans of DCFC, and do they understand the effect their actions are having on at least some of them? They have been reported to be keen to see Derby relegated.  Can they explain to the Derby fanbase whether this is in fact the case, and if so, their justification for acting in such a way? Etc Etc I think a letter coming from specific groups rather than an individual stands a better chance of getting a response.  That response is very likely to be that it's all Derby's fault, and that people will lose their jobs etc due to the clubs actions etc, they have to be fair to the other clubs blah blah.  However, it may be worth a try?

Mels problem is health not wealth. According to last rich list I saw he has same amount 500 odd million as when he took over. He has stated and I take him on his word ( I know others won’t ) that he will fund the club until a takeover happens. I take funding as keeping the club as a going concern doubt any big transfer budget just trading as we go. We have a low wage bill comparatively now so can’t see it being a big issue. 
Also as I understand it ( and I could be wrong ) the way the club is set up any debts are Mel’s not DCFC ?  

You can go through Mavis Enderby in Lincolnshire

You can go through Mavis Enderby in Lincolnshire

Jim Smith appointed Derby County manager, that’s a fantastic signing, said practically nobody 

Ah crumbs, my naan won’t be pleased, goes against the grain on here but she likes him.
No knead for it really, just Gibson getting others rye-led up for no reason.

I've tried watching it, I've tried being interested, but the standard is pretty poor, the goalies are rather comical though.
The BBC are embarrassingly over PC so will do everything and anything to shoe horn women into the mens sports as pundits (Alex Scott is a very good pundit however). Would be interesting to have a show dedicated to the womens game and see how popular it is.
 

It doesn't interest me in the slightest. How BBC Sport put the women's results at the top of the page I'll never know. 
I don't object to it in any way whatsoever, however the way women are chosen over men to be pundits and commentators just stinks of political correctness. 
Each to their own but not for me.

Won’t dispute that, and I wouldn’t expect City or Chelsea fans to be discussing this either.
They are on another planet, yeah I’m jealous, I would love to see the best players playing at Pride Park in Europe, not worrying about who can afford to lose their millions here to keep us afloat.
But here we are, we can see the damage it’s doing below the Premier League, we need to be calling it out, drawing attention to it as it’s wrong, it’s breaking the game.
Football is more than just the Premier League. Shout it from the rooftops.

Well said.  Quite agree that this inequality is completely anti- competitive and ruining the game. FFP is nonsense and just limits the means to compete even further and benefits no-one. Instead of petty squabbles between championship clubs about who is breaking the rules, they should be working together to protest about the bigger picture.

Getting quite bored of all the 'nobody's going to want to buy us' BS. To my mind, most recently, there were three really significant inhibitors to what I would term, serious investors; firstly, the imminent threat of relegation'; secondly, the fear of a significant points deduction for next season and a possibly another season-long relegation fight as a result; and lastly, the fact that a deal had already been struck with Alonso pending EFL ratification. In the last few weeks, two of those factors have already been mitigated and we are now told we have multiple credible suitors. Happenstance?
As regards the last outstanding issue, that being our punishment for our supposed FRS 102 'non-compliance', gimme a break! Does anyone really believe the original DC are suddenly going to turn around and ratify a 12 point deduction, or anything like it? 
My predictions for the immediate future: A) The club will be under new, EFL approved and sanctioned ownership inside 3 months. B) There'll be no significant FFP punishment, if for no other reason than we've done nothing wrong. C) The current never-ending pile-on from some on here will thankfully peter out and melodrama and inter-fan sniping levels will return to something like those prevalent before the original FFP charge.
And breathe....