Asanovic70

Saddened for Rosenior, but the away form was a concern. I think David Clowes has taken on a lot of financial responsibility, buying both club & stadium when he was only buying the latter at first. I think this is a decision made to try to ensure we get out of the division within two seasons at the most & getting back in the Champ'ship would probably allow the club to generate more income (attendances, tv revenue), taking the burden off Mr Clowes, who I think probably wouldn't mind other suitable interested parties assisting him (i.e. fellow local businessmen/associates injecting some investment).
We probably need a certain level of crowds to break even, say around the 27k, and whilst the Championship brings more expense, Warne has been used to managing under a budget, and in fact has seen players poached by clubs a division lower, so he'd probably receive more support if he did get us promoted in terms of budget (middle range for the division, competitive) than he did at Rotherham ((90% less than the rest of the division, apparently), but not something that would jeopardize the club's future after recent events.
Heart said Rosenior, head understands why the new owner took the decision (cold, unsentimental) for the ultimate financial well-being of the club. I think it's less of the knee-jerk, Mel Morris type of decision (ego/headlines), and one taken to give us as good a chance of getting out of the division as quickly as possible. This season may be about rebuilding things and having a tilt at the play-offs; a few other sides, like Ipswich, are further ahead in terms of development, and maybe next season, with a full pre-season, you'd expect us to be the front-runner if we do not manage promotion this season.
I didn't know a great deal about Warne, browsed one article (training ground guru), which gives the impression that he possesses Rosenior's human qualities as a man-manager, but has the proven experience. Rosenior was a gamble (unknown quantity), Warne, a more calculated risk. Of course, it doesn't always work out like that, but Warne does know what it takes to get out of the division.
 

Saddened for Rosenior, but the away form was a concern. I think David Clowes has taken on a lot of financial responsibility, buying both club & stadium when he was only buying the latter at first. I think this is a decision made to try to ensure we get out of the division within two seasons at the most & getting back in the Champ'ship would probably allow the club to generate more income (attendances, tv revenue), taking the burden off Mr Clowes, who I think probably wouldn't mind other suitable interested parties assisting him (i.e. fellow local businessmen/associates injecting some investment).
We probably need a certain level of crowds to break even, say around the 27k, and whilst the Championship brings more expense, Warne has been used to managing under a budget, and in fact has seen players poached by clubs a division lower, so he'd probably receive more support if he did get us promoted in terms of budget (middle range for the division, competitive) than he did at Rotherham ((90% less than the rest of the division, apparently), but not something that would jeopardize the club's future after recent events.
Heart said Rosenior, head understands why the new owner took the decision (cold, unsentimental) for the ultimate financial well-being of the club. I think it's less of the knee-jerk, Mel Morris type of decision (ego/headlines), and one taken to give us as good a chance of getting out of the division as quickly as possible. This season may be about rebuilding things and having a tilt at the play-offs; a few other sides, like Ipswich, are further ahead in terms of development, and maybe next season, with a full pre-season, you'd expect us to be the front-runner if we do not manage promotion this season.
I didn't know a great deal about Warne, browsed one article (training ground guru), which gives the impression that he possesses Rosenior's human qualities as a man-manager, but has the proven experience. Rosenior was a gamble (unknown quantity), Warne, a more calculated risk. Of course, it doesn't always work out like that, but Warne does know what it takes to get out of the division.
 

Morning all..
In the absence of a DCFC fans representative at the meetings I thought it would be helpful to upload the minutes to here. My personal thoughts are below.
Many of you know my issue with Stephen Pearce. I have been very vocal on that for various reasons. However, Charlton away we had a catch up and with Dave. A line has been drawn between us which Dave very much initiated. He is as much responsible as Dave for saving our club and I think we need to recognise that. 
Last night Stephen came across a very different man. Confident. Comfortable. Relaxed. Clear to see the shackles of Mel have been removed and he can be his own person. Mixed in with the ethos and culture that Dave has I fully trust SP to take us forward. He knows that he has points to prove and is up for that challenge. He has my backing.
A few other points i would like to add. Safe Standing, you know I have been campaigning for 15 odd years!!! Looking like some kind of movement with this and going forward expect there to be some news over the next few months.
South Stand - raised about bar wait times and requested that the bottle bars return particularly for half time. This is lost revenue. Left with SP to sort. I have also raised, as i have done for years, that we should be aiming to replicate a Bristol City / Lincoln kind of area. This was always the idea with the Fan Park but somewhat slipped to the side. Would be great to have a culture where fans can turn up early, have a few drinks and enjoy it. Same after the game as well, get the Yard and South Stand concourse open for an hour. 
Really positive meeting and refreshing that we are discussing issues and points that the charter group was setup for! Big thanks to the guys at BAWT for drafting up the minutes.
Minutes of SCG Meeting 22nd September, 2022

Present: DCFC - David Clowes, Stephen Pearce, Punjabi Rams, DCFC Disabled Supporters Club, RamsTrust, DCFC Supporters Club, Black and White Together, Derby County Collection, Nick Webster, RamsActive

The club has been reviewing and assessing the managerial position since DC took over and Liam Rosenior has been fantastic. They have a great relationship. The club has a duty of care towards Liam's career as someone taking his first steps in managing and what might happen to Liam if it didnt work out played a part in the decision.

Paul Warne brings experience and now is his time for a big job at a big club. Other clubs were after him, both those with and those without a manager currently. 

DC liked how he treats players, journalists, encouraging everyone to get the best out of themselves.

There is nothing to read into the title of Head Coach – there is no plan for Technical Director/Director of Football – it is just commensurate with Head of Recruitment, Head of Academy, which they will move their focus to now. They see these three roles working as a team. 

Paul Warne spoke to the players on Wednesday evening and will do press next Tuesday.

With regards to the players we signed and his style, Paul is adaptable, but he was after some of our players in summer. His teams are running teams and he is happy with players he has. 

DC will speak to Liam and other coaching staff on Monday when they return from a short break, but they were aware of the situation before DCFC approached Rotherham to speak to Paul Warne.

The club is well within the business plan agreed with the EFL, so there is a buffer. They sent the EFL the recruitment strategy, by player and position, and all was signed off, no problem. It is a two-year plan, with a review after 12 months, but we can’t currently spend transfer fees or loan fees.

The plan was done on a worst case scenario., so season ticket sales coming in over the figure in the business plan really helped. 

The club is now debt free.

Two sell-on clauses were sold for short term cash during administration,  but others remain.

The first accounting year will end on 30th June, 2023, so filed by March 2024.

The club will look into a non-Away member Season Ticket holder category after away members and before general sale for away tickets.

They will look at Roadriders again, but once the cost of hiring a bus, putting a steward on them and some covid restrictions still are factored in, it is likely to still be prohibitive.

They will also look at the possibility of beambacks for sold out away games.

The club now has a very good relationship with the EFL and other clubs, including Wycombe, Middlesbrough, and Rotherham.

The Yard is now open again on matchdays. They are looking at projects for the Back Yard in the close season.

Stephen Pearce has a point to prove. If everything he was accused of was true, the administrators or the due diligence of bidders would have found something. He wants to take club forwards.

The board will expand in the next 12-18 months, but a new chair will be appointed soon.

David Clowes said he is categorically not looking to flip the club. 

The club is researching a Shadow Board. They have spoken to Joe Blott, of Spirit of Shankly, the only one in place currently. The club eill circulate details, but the idea is the responsibility of the club to a Shadow Board would be written into the Articles of Association.

There is a change in culture in the club, and DC wants to be open and transparent within the limits of running a business.
It was commented the club is losing money due to lack of staff at concessions. The club has longer term plans, but acknowledges short term improvements can be made. The Bristol City model was mentioned as an example.

Re safe standing- the club met with the safety advisory group and the Sports Ground Safety Authority. The rake is a concern, but are pricing up potential phased equivalent of safe standing. Not railed seating but barriers. The top 9-10 rows in south stand and away area are the difficult areas, but the club wants to be an early adopter.

The club wants the sponsorship to match the new culture, keen not to have betting or crypto on the front of shirts. If not, they could have had it done weeks ago. But they also don't want to devalue the shirt for next or future seasons, so better to go no sponsor, if so. But the club has decided to go with a national charity to protect the value of the brand. However, it could be that the club asks for funds raised to be used locally.
They are also discussing the logistics of having the option to buy a sponsorship logo for replica shirts, like a number or players name, with possibility of part going to the charity. 

With regards to the stadium, there is a long CapEx list, which the club will be working through in order of  priority over next 18 months.
DCCT and DCFC Women separate board of Trustees, but the club is trying to bring them closer. DCFC Women have been training on Tuesday and Thursday nights at Moor Farm, but changing rooms are difficult. But now th3 club is making a dedicated women's hub for sole use, branded etc. Good for board meeting, analysis and with dedicated changing facility too. It will be finished in a couple of weeks. They will continue to play at Mickleover.
 
 

Superb assessment @Asanovic70. See the Supporters Charter meeting post from today that gives further insight and backs up your summary. 

Saddened for Rosenior, but the away form was a concern. I think David Clowes has taken on a lot of financial responsibility, buying both club & stadium when he was only buying the latter at first. I think this is a decision made to try to ensure we get out of the division within two seasons at the most & getting back in the Champ'ship would probably allow the club to generate more income (attendances, tv revenue), taking the burden off Mr Clowes, who I think probably wouldn't mind other suitable interested parties assisting him (i.e. fellow local businessmen/associates injecting some investment).
We probably need a certain level of crowds to break even, say around the 27k, and whilst the Championship brings more expense, Warne has been used to managing under a budget, and in fact has seen players poached by clubs a division lower, so he'd probably receive more support if he did get us promoted in terms of budget (middle range for the division, competitive) than he did at Rotherham ((90% less than the rest of the division, apparently), but not something that would jeopardize the club's future after recent events.
Heart said Rosenior, head understands why the new owner took the decision (cold, unsentimental) for the ultimate financial well-being of the club. I think it's less of the knee-jerk, Mel Morris type of decision (ego/headlines), and one taken to give us as good a chance of getting out of the division as quickly as possible. This season may be about rebuilding things and having a tilt at the play-offs; a few other sides, like Ipswich, are further ahead in terms of development, and maybe next season, with a full pre-season, you'd expect us to be the front-runner if we do not manage promotion this season.
I didn't know a great deal about Warne, browsed one article (training ground guru), which gives the impression that he possesses Rosenior's human qualities as a man-manager, but has the proven experience. Rosenior was a gamble (unknown quantity), Warne, a more calculated risk. Of course, it doesn't always work out like that, but Warne does know what it takes to get out of the division.
 

Their recruitment has got worse. Since they won the title they have had the model of selling one big player every summer (Kante, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell etc.) and then using that money to improve the squad. They would bring in uncovered gems, good players with a high ceiling and resale value. They have continued to sell players because they have to but the recruitment has been poor. Last season their additions were poor and this season they haven't signed anyone. Their squad has got worse. If you stand still in the premier league you fall behind.

End of they day, you don’t spend £150m to finish 17th no matter how many times their fans try to tell people they needed to sign two new 11’s. He’ll be getting twitchy already.
I read an Athletic article that said Marinakis was aiming for top 6 but his expectations had to be tempered by others at the club. Wouldn’t recommend reading it though, it was a Daniel Taylor article so took me forever to wade past the misty eyed b******* about history and about how Jesse Lingard is ‘only’ on £110k a week plus bonuses and how great it is that Marinakis is letting his son (who has never worked in football before) deal with transfers.

They're loving it today. Christ

Forests back 3 yesterday
 
                                Joe Worrall a premiership centre half??  Really

The transition back to a stable championship squad will not be easy and the young loanees may play a large part in that if some become permanent. We have some interesting prospects there 

We were bound to be reliant on signing senior free agents, but we’ve managed to find a good balance between youth and experience imo 

When you look at Louie and Birdy and Knighty and see how they now look as men, then too much is asked of them as boys.
Hope Louie stays he looks to be turning into the real deal. This is the start, properly. 

You know there’s nothing quite like rubbing shoulders with the elite. Spending £144M and being able to have at least 1 benchwarmer who will earn more in keeping that bench warm for 90 minutes than the average fan earns in a year. So what if you get tonked 6-0. It’s elite football {pronounced ay-leet} in case you didn’t know. Just so long as you remember to bin the manager who got you up there before it’s too late - having binned the players who got you there it seems only logical. No matter that you then have no emotional connection with either because it’s elite. You’re amongst the very best. That’s just got to be worth it. You get to see the very best players cut your team to pieces. And every 10 games or so, you may play some team against whom you might even score - unless VAR disallows it - or even get a point. Elite football. It’s the best. 

* Haaland

"Watch us fly". Yeah, like f'kin Orville lol 

Pretttttyyyyy much me tonight watching City…..

Someone needs to “wash “ some money maybe 

Shrewsbury Town  v Derby County
 
5pts
Abu Derby    5
AndyB    11
ColonelBlimp    5
cstand    6
dabber    8
ilsonram12    8
JarodyDCFC    6
jimtastic56    8
Manchester Ram    6
Mick Brolly    6
 
3pts
NONE

2pts
gccrowdpleaser    7
LeedsCityRam    7
PendineRam    2
REDCAR    8
Steve Buckley's Dog    5
1pt
Asanovic70    1
Blondest Goat    5
BramcoteRam84    2
DCFC Kicks    5
Dean (hick) Saunders    5
europia    1
FlyBritishMidland    6
InstaRam    3
Jase116    5
Jourdan    3
leroyoftherovers    4
Millenniumram    2
OohMartWright    3
Osbaldwick    1
Premier ram    2
r4derby    1
RadioactiveWaste    3
rynny    9
SKHunter    3
Sussex Ram    8
Topram    1
Van der MoodHoover    2
 
Shrewsbury Town 0 Derby County 0, '0' = FRGS.
 

Brentford
Any side that is well-run. The previous stadium was run-down & they had been a lower tier side for decades. In the world of the closed-shop league, they offer hope and a model about how it can be done. They were also one of the first sides I ever visited to see Derby in the mid 80s.
I also learned respect for Swansea after the Bodde saga & exchange of insults between us & them. It was irritating seeing them prosper & us struggle, but enlightening to discover how they did it, knowing that the odds were stocked against them, finding a way to become successful. They are another side who ascended the divisions, reached the PL & won a trophy & a memorable Europa League campaign.
 Getting there by being patient and having a strategy.

Forest owner heading down to the officials room to serenade the ref. 

29,000 crowd ? we beat that in league 1.

Brentford
Any side that is well-run. The previous stadium was run-down & they had been a lower tier side for decades. In the world of the closed-shop league, they offer hope and a model about how it can be done. They were also one of the first sides I ever visited to see Derby in the mid 80s.
I also learned respect for Swansea after the Bodde saga & exchange of insults between us & them. It was irritating seeing them prosper & us struggle, but enlightening to discover how they did it, knowing that the odds were stocked against them, finding a way to become successful. They are another side who ascended the divisions, reached the PL & won a trophy & a memorable Europa League campaign.
 Getting there by being patient and having a strategy.

I've had a lot of spats online with Forest fans (twitter) so posting on here instead. If you look at the amount of money they have now spent, it may have been the more boring & predictable approach, but perhaps they would have been better off signing the loanees that actually contributed to them getting promoted in the first place, (Spence, Garner, Davies) maybe paying slightly over the odds, as they appear to be doing so now, but for players, like at Brentford, whose value would increase, allowing them to get a good return on their money.
The influx of signings could also affect those players such as Yates who earned the club promotion but then find themselves possibly on the fringes.
Cooper surely can't be authorizing each & every deal & Marinakis has reportedly taken control of transfer negotiations. Strangely, Forest have a sensible enough coach in charge who is probably selective in who he'd bring in, whilst we had Billy Davies who was agitating for the club to spend all of its £60m PL money on signings. He & Marinakis would have got on well.
The squad looks bloated, like their owner, but as seen with Brentford, the PL is also about a well-run, smaller sides using their resources well (as in Germany with Freiburg). There must also be an element of trust at Brentford, as the midfield & defence remain stable units; you get a chance to perform, maybe make a mistake, but of course, if you perform badly across a period of time, your place in the team is in jeopardy. Forest appear to have adopted the approach of stocking up on players and probably chopping & changing the team which doesn't lead to continuity.
It is an exciting time of course, for the Forest fanbase, but there must be a few of them who look at what happened to us, and wonder if this is sustainable  because Marinakis could end up being a Greek version of Mel Morris.
However, it might be ironic to read John Percy on twitter in a couple of years posting articles about NFFC desperately seeking a takeover to avoid financial meltdown.

I've had a lot of spats online with Forest fans (twitter) so posting on here instead. If you look at the amount of money they have now spent, it may have been the more boring & predictable approach, but perhaps they would have been better off signing the loanees that actually contributed to them getting promoted in the first place, (Spence, Garner, Davies) maybe paying slightly over the odds, as they appear to be doing so now, but for players, like at Brentford, whose value would increase, allowing them to get a good return on their money.
The influx of signings could also affect those players such as Yates who earned the club promotion but then find themselves possibly on the fringes.
Cooper surely can't be authorizing each & every deal & Marinakis has reportedly taken control of transfer negotiations. Strangely, Forest have a sensible enough coach in charge who is probably selective in who he'd bring in, whilst we had Billy Davies who was agitating for the club to spend all of its £60m PL money on signings. He & Marinakis would have got on well.
The squad looks bloated, like their owner, but as seen with Brentford, the PL is also about a well-run, smaller sides using their resources well (as in Germany with Freiburg). There must also be an element of trust at Brentford, as the midfield & defence remain stable units; you get a chance to perform, maybe make a mistake, but of course, if you perform badly across a period of time, your place in the team is in jeopardy. Forest appear to have adopted the approach of stocking up on players and probably chopping & changing the team which doesn't lead to continuity.
It is an exciting time of course, for the Forest fanbase, but there must be a few of them who look at what happened to us, and wonder if this is sustainable  because Marinakis could end up being a Greek version of Mel Morris.
However, it might be ironic to read John Percy on twitter in a couple of years posting articles about NFFC desperately seeking a takeover to avoid financial meltdown.

Brentford
Any side that is well-run. The previous stadium was run-down & they had been a lower tier side for decades. In the world of the closed-shop league, they offer hope and a model about how it can be done. They were also one of the first sides I ever visited to see Derby in the mid 80s.
I also learned respect for Swansea after the Bodde saga & exchange of insults between us & them. It was irritating seeing them prosper & us struggle, but enlightening to discover how they did it, knowing that the odds were stocked against them, finding a way to become successful. They are another side who ascended the divisions, reached the PL & won a trophy & a memorable Europa League campaign.
 Getting there by being patient and having a strategy.