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@Crewton as the topic creator, would you be happy for me to close this topic, moving forward with a topic simply called “Paul Warne”.

We’re seeing similar posts depending on the result in both. A singular place to discuss the manager under a neutral title. 

The same question will be asked in the alternative threads.

@Jram as the topic creator, would you be happy for me to close this topic, moving forward with a topic simply called “Paul Warne”.

We’re seeing similar posts depending on the result in both. A singular place to discuss the manager under a neutral title. 

The same question will be asked in the alternative threads.

@Birdyabroad as the topic creator, would you be happy for me to close this topic, moving forward with a topic simply called “Paul Warne”.

We’re seeing similar posts depending on the result in both. A singular place to discuss the manager under a neutral title. 

The same question will be asked in the alternative threads.

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

At what point is the league a fair indicator? Do we have to wait until the last game has been played?

10 games in, Port Vale were 6th bit now they're 4th bottom. After 20 games, Reading were bottom 4, but would now be 14th without a points deduction. Leyton Orient have shot up from 16th to 9th in the same period of time.

Every week. Clubs dip in and out of form, move up and down the table. Ultimately come May the teams over the season are ranked 1 to 24 where they deserve to be.

8 minutes ago, Archied said:

Fair do s , I’m a lifelong Scottish derby county fan , I know my place😂

Please accept my sincere sympathies 

5 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

But, what if you can't watch all 552 League 1 games to make a fair judgement? How do you compare how you're doing with other teams?

The league table is a good indicator of how teams are doing.

Football isn’t overly complex, stick the ball in the net more than the other team and you get 3 points. 

Not sure how else you can actually compare, seen other comments in this topic about what teams “deserve” to justify the xG argument, it’s all the same, ignoring the basic rules of the game which is based on actual goals.

18 minutes ago, Archied said:

Are you predicting a swift exit 

Of course. No alternative is there?

24 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

xG is a useful tool if used correctly. Give Chris Martin and Connor Sammon exactly the same chance and they'll have the same xG, but one of them will be more liekly to score as he's a better finisher. Unsurprisingly, the teams who create a high proportion of chances for their best finishers also outperform their xG as a team, whilst the team creating chances for poorer finishers underperform.

xG is a better metric than shots as it gives meaning to the shot - the chance of scoring from 1 yard out will be significantly greater than 40 yards out.

With football though, it’s not like snooker where you can line the balls up and have 2 players take the same shot.

xG fails to take into account the ability of the opposition defenders and keeper.

It fails to take into account weather conditions.

It fails to take into account the current situation in so many way, home, away, comfortable lead, behind, fitness level, carrying knocks.

If it was a game played between robots in an indoor arena I could see the value.

Comparing it to shots as a metric is nonsensical, shots and shots on target are facts. Indisputable facts.

Nothing more than a stat that with possession gives you a rough idea as to how the game as gone.

Never really see anyone give it much value as you see others try and give xG.

Just watch the game. You will know how it’s gone and who played better, who created the better chances to win the game and who’s finishing or mistakes let them down.

Scotland in the Euros

Absolute nonsense stat that needs to get in the bin.

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

***SHOTS FIRED***

I prefer to call them truth bombs

“According to 'expected goals' data, Almeria shouldn't even be in La Liga's relegation zone, never mind the worst team in history.”

Tells you all you need to know about xG.

5 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I realise now why I took a week off, I’m just going to stick to matchday threads I think. 

Brave that. I rarely venture into those myself! 2pm and I’m off! 😂

1 minute ago, Rambam said:

I doubt Steve views us as just another team outside the top flight. 

I doubt he does either.

I know why you think Steve Round would come here, I also know why you think he could improve the coaching team.

I just don’t know why you think Warne would make that approach.

Warne has his established assistants, his mates, Barker and Hamshaw.

Same as Nigel Clough with Crosby and Garner.

Once you have that established setup, couple guys close to you it’s very rare you will see them split up unless one wants to try something new or his trust is broken in some way.

3 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

You are taking a quote after stripping most of the context away (I was challenging Foreveram who seemed happy with a point because there was no movement in our league position).  You can never guarantee any result in football but there are games which should be easy compared with others. Yesterday was a game I would call easy. 15 away games this season, and the Shrews had won 3, drawn 2, scoring a magnificent 6 goals on their travels. We should have been at them from the start, but no Warne picks a team with 3 central defenders, and only two forwards. And we decide pre-match to telegraph to the other side we are not going to take them on in midfield. Bonkers. I agree that the next match is a difficult game.

The topic is positives taken from yesterday, which in fairness it is a positive that others didn’t take advantage of us only drawing.

You could argue it’s a negative not taking advantage and sticking 3 points in Warne’s backpack, which would also be fair. 

Disappointment sums up yesterday for myself. Not angry like others appear to be (not yourself). 

1 minute ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Lovely idea but why on earth would he leave top end premier football for our stuff?

He left Arsenal last summer.

Still unlikely to happen.

1 minute ago, Ram-Alf said:

Hhmmmm 😉

 

Don't. I was there for that game. Had front row seats. Still not completely over it.

3 hours ago, i-Ram said:

We had an easy game yesterday.

I don't want to place blame on the players here as they get told what to do by the script written by Warne, he's 100% at fault, I do wonder though if the players shared this mindset that yesterday was going to be easy, could that have played a minor part in some way as daft as it may sound?

For me, going into any game believing it will be easy is not the right mindset to have, we should approach every game the same, in that it will be difficult. The opposition will not roll over for us and allow us to tickle their bellies. 

Looking at Shrewsbury, Port Vale are just 3 points behind them in the bottom 4 with 2 games in hand, they have a lot to battle for like us and battle they did. Some of those players will have been fighting for their careers at this level, the financial rewards for remaining in this league. 

Looking across the forum, I can only assume you're not alone in thinking it would be easy, thinking Shrewsbury would come here and somehow just accept relegation. 

Anyhow, on we go to the next difficult game. 

Poor substitution? Let's roll with that and come up with alternative solutions. 

It's the 86th minute, you're 1-0 up at home, Nyambe goes down injured.

On your bench you have, Wilson, Smith, Thompson, and Blackett-Taylor on the bench.

Assuming nobody wants to bring Loach on for Nyambe, what do you do in that situation?

11 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

Someone used the word star, others have said amazing. It's kind of the same thing. 

Your argument doesn't really make sense because obviously if collins wasn't taking pens, someone else would instead.

Wouldn’t matter who takes it, penalties don’t count right?

Inverurie Loco 0-1 Brechin

Sounds like a couple of failed attempts at a minutes applause, just me that’s heard that? 

8 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

So you agree that he's been far from our 'star' player then like many on here believe ?

To be fair, if you search star in this topic.....

Not sure anyone could argue with @YorkshireRam that Collins has been a star this season, his goals have been vital for us, including penalties. 

He never said our star player, which would suggest he has been our best, that's up for debate with Nelson, Cashin and NML worthy nominations.

Finally "many", well there's 2 people that have used the word star across 4 posts, 3 from yourself, so not sure how you are calculating this.

I'm also not sure why anyone would want to downplay is role in our season, deducting goals as they come from the spot is pretty petty, if we went up on the last game of the season, Collins scoring a 90th minute penalty to finish 2nd, would we be sat here saying we should have been in the play offs really? Of course not.

3 minutes ago, richinspain said:

My guess (and it's probably rubbish) is that the club is perhaps trying to allay fans fears etc. before the SCG meeting so that the atmosphere is a little better at the start. If some go there with an agenda then it could all be a little heated at the start. Let everyone know beforehand that there are certain questions that can't be answered for legal reasons. Perhaps explain beforehand also what was achieved and what wasn't, and why, during the transfer window. Was it felt more important to retain certain players already on the books? Why was Bird's transfer handled as it was? Why didn't we bring in the striker that so many (all) felt was of upmost importance?

Possibly, although the answers to a couple of those or plainly obvious.

It was reported that Max Bird informed the club he was not going to sign a new contract at the club, expiring in the summer either way he was leaving in the summer. They opted to take the money now with a loan back as oppose to going through a tribunal. Makes sense. 

The striker, you can almost guarantee it will be a case of look, there was none available with the budget we had that Warne wanted. Clubs like to wait until the end of the window and that's where movements take place. 

We made offers for a couple (which we know to be Smith and Gregory) which we thought was more than fair, and won't be held to ransom, or we agreed a deal but was later pulled by the other club too late for us to do anything else.

It's not going to be a oh god, we did want a striker didn't we, we completely forgot to even look for one, silly us.

This can't be a oh my, didn't even think of that, we've all been fans of this club long enough and we're aware clubs don't even announce transfer fee figures anymore, so what kind of information can anyone seriously expect to get, the figures of wages offered, a list of names we tried for, telephone conversations why it never happened. 

Whatever happened happened, it's done, we can't change anything now, just got to get on with it and pray Collins stays fit.