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    1of4 got a reaction from Van der MoodHoover in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Yes the NHS is definitely about immigration. If it wasn't for all the foreign doctors and nurses working in it. The NHS  wouldn't be able to function, even if was adequately funded
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    1of4 got a reaction from GboroRam in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Yes the NHS is definitely about immigration. If it wasn't for all the foreign doctors and nurses working in it. The NHS  wouldn't be able to function, even if was adequately funded
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    1of4 got a reaction from bigbadbob in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Very strange it's not happened. Maybe wanting to win an election might be major factor why.
    If Johnson wins the election, then gets brexit completed. The conservatives will then be able to push through all manner of policies that won't be liked by the majority of the population. They'll be then able to claim that what they are doing, is because of brexit and they're just carrying out the will of the people.
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    1of4 reacted to SchtivePesley in The Politics Thread 2019   
    The Tories haven't held a majority government for most of that time, so they wouldn't have been able to pass something that monumental even if they tried
    No - something like privatising the NHS has to either be done by stealth (as has been happening since Blair) or wholesale in a time of national emergency. They call it disaster capitalism. Now what impending event could pave the way for a good old bit of disaster capitalism?
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    1of4 got a reaction from GboroRam in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Very strange it's not happened. Maybe wanting to win an election might be major factor why.
    If Johnson wins the election, then gets brexit completed. The conservatives will then be able to push through all manner of policies that won't be liked by the majority of the population. They'll be then able to claim that what they are doing, is because of brexit and they're just carrying out the will of the people.
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    1of4 got a reaction from maxjam in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Very strange it's not happened. Maybe wanting to win an election might be major factor why.
    If Johnson wins the election, then gets brexit completed. The conservatives will then be able to push through all manner of policies that won't be liked by the majority of the population. They'll be then able to claim that what they are doing, is because of brexit and they're just carrying out the will of the people.
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    1of4 got a reaction from Norman in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Very strange it's not happened. Maybe wanting to win an election might be major factor why.
    If Johnson wins the election, then gets brexit completed. The conservatives will then be able to push through all manner of policies that won't be liked by the majority of the population. They'll be then able to claim that what they are doing, is because of brexit and they're just carrying out the will of the people.
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    1of4 reacted to irobinson in Lampard after Given again   
    Ta ta - bank the dosh
    Not seen any demonstrable improvement In our keepers for a long time 
     
     
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    1of4 reacted to GboroRam in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Well, I'm for one seeing an impressive increase in the number of adverts on Facebook from "community" groups telling me how much labour will cost me. 
    Strangely I don't get any with the other argument. These campaigns must have cost loads of roubles. 
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    1of4 reacted to Norman in The Politics Thread 2019   
    I had 2 weeks off over Xmas. But then again, I was in a different job.
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    1of4 reacted to jono in The Politics Thread 2019   
    I disagree. I think it is simply a function of governments trying to manage an incoming tide. The problem, no matter what your politics, is that numbers needing help and the types of help available are increasing vastly more than the national income needed to support it. We all want an NHS, it is as I said in an earlier post a jewel in our crown of civilisation, but there are so many issues that are so much more than just wanting more money for it .. money that just isn’t there in the amount that is needed. 
     
    Many of us lease cars .. why ? because the leasing company reduces our exposure to the risk of ownership and enables us to have something better than we might normally expect. It defines a price for us. Yes it it makes a profit on that price but it does something for that money that is positive. 
    just because we make the choice to do that doesn’t mean we have sold our soul
    You could drive the no privatisation thing to the limit couldn’t you ? Why are we the NHS buying Hydraulic beds ?  .. why don’t we build an NHS factory and make our own ... fine ... you’d end up 20 years on with the Trabant of beds .. cheap, maybe .. good, are you sure ? 
    This conversation needs to move away from political ideology and in to ethical behaviour of subcontracting companies, drawing up and enforcing good contracts. 
    The only thing that is important is that we get treated for free at the point of delivery by right. How that treatment is paid for is about economics and good management. It isn’t and shouldn’t be a left / right thing.

    and an apology to @1of4 I shouldn’t have said childish or grow up. I am a big kid too, but I honestly believe the assumption that there is an open cheque book to a bottomless bank account funded from a presumed tax take from oligarchs and tax dodgers  is available or indeed that it will work in the long term.  It has been tried before and hardly been successful.
    This should never be a political battleground, this should be all of us working to find the best way to keep what we all value. 

     
     
     
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    1of4 got a reaction from ariotofmyown in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Venezuela may have the largest oil reserves but it's not listed in the top ten of oil producing countries. Could this be  reason why the USA at the behest of the major oil companies have been behind some of the destabilization of the Venezuelan government. These oil companies want to get the oil out of the ground. They can then flood the world market, that will then drive down crude oil prices, so meaning more profit for themselves.
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    1of4 reacted to G STAR RAM in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Bet he is praying Labour get in power so they can reduce it to 4 days...
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    1of4 got a reaction from GboroRam in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Venezuela may have the largest oil reserves but it's not listed in the top ten of oil producing countries. Could this be  reason why the USA at the behest of the major oil companies have been behind some of the destabilization of the Venezuelan government. These oil companies want to get the oil out of the ground. They can then flood the world market, that will then drive down crude oil prices, so meaning more profit for themselves.
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    1of4 got a reaction from SchtivePesley in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Venezuela may have the largest oil reserves but it's not listed in the top ten of oil producing countries. Could this be  reason why the USA at the behest of the major oil companies have been behind some of the destabilization of the Venezuelan government. These oil companies want to get the oil out of the ground. They can then flood the world market, that will then drive down crude oil prices, so meaning more profit for themselves.
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    1of4 got a reaction from SchtivePesley in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Never mind thousands, more like tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of  British people who abuse and take our magnificent health care system for granted. Dead easy this finding someone to blame isn't it.
    I was born and raised when the NHS was still relatively new. When my parents were growing up, good health care wasn't available to them. So they understood the need cherish the NHS and not to go running to a doctor at the first sign of a sniffle or upset stomach. This is something that they instilled into me from an early age. It's a pity that to many people no longer cherish our wonderful NHS.
    As for blaming governments of all colours sorry stripes, I must start using the new PC terminology, I'm not the only one. Just look how many posters on this site have said that our political system is failing.
    Oh as for growing up. No thanks always been a big kid at heart, even more so, now I've got three grandchildren to play with.
    Sorry if I rambled a bit or didn't make a lot of sense. But ay I'm an idiot or so I've been told.
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    1of4 got a reaction from i-Ram in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Never mind thousands, more like tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of  British people who abuse and take our magnificent health care system for granted. Dead easy this finding someone to blame isn't it.
    I was born and raised when the NHS was still relatively new. When my parents were growing up, good health care wasn't available to them. So they understood the need cherish the NHS and not to go running to a doctor at the first sign of a sniffle or upset stomach. This is something that they instilled into me from an early age. It's a pity that to many people no longer cherish our wonderful NHS.
    As for blaming governments of all colours sorry stripes, I must start using the new PC terminology, I'm not the only one. Just look how many posters on this site have said that our political system is failing.
    Oh as for growing up. No thanks always been a big kid at heart, even more so, now I've got three grandchildren to play with.
    Sorry if I rambled a bit or didn't make a lot of sense. But ay I'm an idiot or so I've been told.
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    1of4 got a reaction from Van Wolfie in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Never mind thousands, more like tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of  British people who abuse and take our magnificent health care system for granted. Dead easy this finding someone to blame isn't it.
    I was born and raised when the NHS was still relatively new. When my parents were growing up, good health care wasn't available to them. So they understood the need cherish the NHS and not to go running to a doctor at the first sign of a sniffle or upset stomach. This is something that they instilled into me from an early age. It's a pity that to many people no longer cherish our wonderful NHS.
    As for blaming governments of all colours sorry stripes, I must start using the new PC terminology, I'm not the only one. Just look how many posters on this site have said that our political system is failing.
    Oh as for growing up. No thanks always been a big kid at heart, even more so, now I've got three grandchildren to play with.
    Sorry if I rambled a bit or didn't make a lot of sense. But ay I'm an idiot or so I've been told.
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    1of4 got a reaction from ariotofmyown in The Politics Thread 2019   
    The Labour Party as announced that there as been a cyber attack on it's digital platforms. I wonder who could have done this?
    Maybe if 10 Downing Street and this tory government had released the report on Russian interference in our elections. The public might have a better understanding of how fake news and lies are spread through social media platforms.
    There again the intelligence report may not even mention anything about the hacking of websites and the spreading of false information by the Russians. It could just contain evidence on the alleged donations given to the conservative party by foreign companies.
    What the report does actually contain, we may never know, as it will probably never see the light of day outside of Downing Street.
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    1of4 got a reaction from A Ram for All Seasons in The Politics Thread 2019   
    The Labour Party as announced that there as been a cyber attack on it's digital platforms. I wonder who could have done this?
    Maybe if 10 Downing Street and this tory government had released the report on Russian interference in our elections. The public might have a better understanding of how fake news and lies are spread through social media platforms.
    There again the intelligence report may not even mention anything about the hacking of websites and the spreading of false information by the Russians. It could just contain evidence on the alleged donations given to the conservative party by foreign companies.
    What the report does actually contain, we may never know, as it will probably never see the light of day outside of Downing Street.
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    1of4 got a reaction from I know nothing in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Announced today that the estimated cost of HS2 as gone up again.. The country doesn't need a high speed train service. It needs a service that is clean, reliable, cheap and more frequent. Also updating all our old rolling stock wouldn't go amiss.
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    1of4 got a reaction from bigbadbob in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Announced today that the estimated cost of HS2 as gone up again.. The country doesn't need a high speed train service. It needs a service that is clean, reliable, cheap and more frequent. Also updating all our old rolling stock wouldn't go amiss.
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    1of4 got a reaction from 1967Ram in The Politics Thread 2019   
    The Labour Party as announced that there as been a cyber attack on it's digital platforms. I wonder who could have done this?
    Maybe if 10 Downing Street and this tory government had released the report on Russian interference in our elections. The public might have a better understanding of how fake news and lies are spread through social media platforms.
    There again the intelligence report may not even mention anything about the hacking of websites and the spreading of false information by the Russians. It could just contain evidence on the alleged donations given to the conservative party by foreign companies.
    What the report does actually contain, we may never know, as it will probably never see the light of day outside of Downing Street.
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    1of4 got a reaction from 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Announced today that the estimated cost of HS2 as gone up again.. The country doesn't need a high speed train service. It needs a service that is clean, reliable, cheap and more frequent. Also updating all our old rolling stock wouldn't go amiss.
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    1of4 got a reaction from SchtivePesley in The Politics Thread 2019   
    Lets pretend that lack of funding isn't the main problem when it comes to training more nurses.
    Lets hire a private consultancy company, pay them tens of thousands of pounds a day. So they can take a year to write a report that come up with the same answer to the problem, as what people already knew.
    The goverment can then sit on the report for another year before doing sod all about it. While claiming that they have spent more money, in real terms, then the previous government.
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