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The transition from Steve McClaren to Gary Rowett is one of the most devastating pieces of mismanagement many of us will ever see at the club. We were under no restrictions, had more money than ever and were already one of the best sides in the division - still managed to monumentally f*** it.
McClaren’s sacking the first time around is where it all went wrong. We haven’t had a set of players and manager that suited each other so well since. We had a clear identity and willingly threw it away.
The link to the Newcastle was completely overblown by a section of media/fans around the club that are insistent on shooting themselves in the foot.
If it wasn’t for an injury crisis we’d have gone up that season automatically and no one would have been bothered about Newcastle.
McClaren’s poor media skills turned him into a pantomime villain - he said he wouldn’t go at one point but kept getting asked. He’s also said that, before he was sacked, he’d decided to stay.
His resultant sacking was the beginning of the end, from then on we spent years and millions of pounds chasing what we already had with him and Simmo.
You only have to look at who Mel hired in the following two seasons to see that he had absolutely no clue what direction to go in once we’d lost that identity. There was no theme to Clement to Pearson, back to McClaren and eventually Rowett.
It turned us into an unrecognisable blob of several managers ideas that, outside of Lampard’s loans, have never looked like we could go up to the Premier League and stick since.
When we ended up with Rowett we had a manager who was the polar opposite of McClaren (defensive and media savvy). That side was then dismantled after wasting two years where McClaren could have got them up.
Not saying McClaren was perfect but sticking with him was our best bet.
 
 

Ffs you sad b4stards take your bickering elsewhere. 
 
I log in and see this thread has 2 more pages since I last logged in I expect to see at least one transfer rumour. 
 
Useless. 

If he does, hi Paul, you should really stop reading the forum, there's good reasons why posters on here are from just about every walk of life except for successful careers in professional football.

This is mental this.
From October onwards we accumulated more points than anyone else in the league and were it not for Portsmouth's unbelievable start (where I think hey won their first 10) we would have won the league. The start can be forgiven giving it was a squad that had a lot of new players in finding their feet at a new club.
But as soon as we got going, we earnt more points than anyone else.
Also we conceded 3 goals in the last ten games. THREE. And two of them were in one game.
The last 11 games we won 8 drew 2 and lost 1. If that is inconsistent then you gave give me inconsistency any day of the week.
Paul Warne was appointed here because he knows how to get out of this league, you need to be solid. Playing good football is fine, but not really a pre-requisite of getting out of League One. Bolton probably played the best football on the eye last season and they are still down there.
Warne will not play the same way in the Championship, he's not stupid. He wants athleticism and a high press to suffocate teams.
I will openly admit after Stevenage and Shrewsbury I wanted Warne out but I can hold my hands up and admit I was very wrong. 
I can't believe a man who seems to be a genuinely nice human who has got us promoted with the highest points total we have ever had, the most away wins we have have had still gets criticism.
He gets beaten with a stick every time we get linked with a player who has played for Rotherham. (I think we only have Vickers and Washington) Its pretty common for managers going to other clubs, 1. To get linked with nearly every player who has ever played for him and 2. To actually like players they have had before, trust them and wants them at his current club. Eddie Howe signing Lloyd Kelly today for as an example.
 
 

Fewest goals conceded, best goal difference in the league, highest points total and highest number of away wins in the club's history.
If we even get vaguely close to replicating that level of 'inconsistency' anytime soon, I shall be thoroughly delighted.

So, I was never a Paul Warne fan. I wasn't enthused by the style of play or the players he signed. 
However, the more I hear and read, the more I think he's done a very solid job. Not the bare minimum - but I understand why people would think the latter. 
I've changed my mind because of the following. 
The legacy contracts of Bird and Sibley seem to have been taking up far more of the budget than I thought. Reading posts from @Ambitious, it seems very likely both were on 15k and maybe some more. Then there's the wages of Hourihane. Great leader, but since Wigan away, he's been slowly ambling around like an old moose who's been asked to trample the grass down. Again, from the TalkSport interview, it would seem that there were players on 10k, or a bit more, who didn't really fit the system. 
So, that's a long-winded way of saying that a lot of wages have been tied up in players that we can easily improve on, probably by paying less money. Sibley, as much as i want him to kick-on, isn't worth 15k a week as an average LWB, for example.
I'm expecting, with the addition of Ebou to start things off, a very strong and athletic midfield. The defence needs a good LB and GK. I think both are lined-up and achievable. 
I think PW is the right person to build a squad, on a modest (for this league) budget, that will still be competitive. I wouldn't have said that 3 months a go. 

Edit. Can't be bothered.

Umbro era has been strong, the black socks year in particular gave a section of the more tasteful Derby fans something we’d been crying out for
I still think Adidas would be the best outfit to get in bed with right now but Puma isn’t a bad runner up seeing as there’s history
Black socks history 👀
 

Ferrie Bodde is 42 now, has he got a son ?

How s*** must you think the actual will be then?!?

It's a hindsight deal. If we offer him a deal and he gets another long term injury everyone will jump on the club and management as we knew his injury history.
However, if and it's a huge if he gets fit, stays fit and plays regularly he could be a huge player for a club at our level. If we don't offer him a deal and he goes to another championship club, stays fit and bangs a load of goals in everyone will jump on the club and management saying we should have signed him.
It's the toss of a coin.
If it was me and the wages were right I would give him a chance as part of  a team of four strikers in the squad.

Just listened to the TalkSport interview. As you would expect he came over really well. I don’t think there are many managers that have his level of emotional intelligence. It’s clear there is lots of thought and planning behind everything, Paul and his team clearly live and breathe and put the hours in. Really interesting there’s two systems he’ll focus on in preseason and basically the players need to know everything about it so have to do their homework and be prepared to talk about it. 
Also it’s clear that he sees good dressing room environment as a potential differentiator and focuses on it heavily,  Personally I think this is why we beat Bolton  automatic, when we weren’t playing well the squad togetherness got us through. Most successful underdogs have strong dressing rooms and togetherness. Look at Luton Cov those sorts of teams. It can bridge some of the gap in quality where teams have bigger budgets. Interesting the whole Warne being appointed was basically Stephen Pearce liking Warne’s interviews, listening to his podcast and basically concluding this is the type of manager we want running our club. Human first and foremost. 
I also found it interesting when Matterface was asking him on Derbys budget last season trying to infer maybe Derby didn’t have the biggest budget and overachieved last season, Warne genuinely didn’t know if we had the biggest budget he saw the team as top 4, not necessarily top 2 which is how I saw it. However more interesting he said that in his 3 Rotherham promotions not once did he have a top 6 budget. I think we need to put some more respect on just what he achieved there. 

This season is his acid test, he will be battling expectancy, but he’s here as he wants to push Derby towards the premier league and go beyond  where he’s been as a manager before so he has the hunger, he creates a positive environment for people to be at their best and has demonstrated throughout his career thus far he can overachieve his budget, something we will need to do if we are to ever get back to the premier as there won’t ever be a scenario until we’re promoted that we have a top 3 or even top 6 budget. He’s definitely the right man for now and I really hope he proves to everyone this season just how good he is.

I was very much a let’s see what happens when he came. Guys like Cocu who dream of something better always appeal more to me but here was a pragmatist with method for a purpose. One thing I was certain about was patience. Merry go round sackings just don’t work. PW has really grown on me. There’s a lot of intelligence behind the quirky remarks and he built a dressing room. I like him.

I know it’s injury that’s caused him to miss the Euros… but for all the derision and contempt untoward Maguire, he’ll go down as one of England’s best ever centre-halves.
Not English centre-halves, but England’s. Done far more for the national team than the likes of Terry, Ferdinand, et al.
I dare say no other Englishman has scored in a World Cup and Euros quarter-final, let alone both being winning causes.

You have a beautiful voice - were you once arrested for eating a succulent Chinese meal, by any chance?

Promotion?

Lundstrum has played 35 games across champions league, Europa league and champions league qualifiers in the last three seasons. Before that he played 62 prem games in two seasons following 50 championship games for sheff united after signing from Oxford including being part of a promotion team. He’d be well good enough for a team trying to secure a mid table finish. 

Also feel like Sibchenko probably doesn’t want to play LWB much more?
If he gets a chance as a 10 again, I can see why he’d go for it, even if it’s bloody Rotherham
I think he was a huge part of us figuring out three at the back last season, as soon as we had a talented dribbler like him on the left and Kane Wilson on the right we were a different animal

Also feel like Sibchenko probably doesn’t want to play LWB much more?
If he gets a chance as a 10 again, I can see why he’d go for it, even if it’s bloody Rotherham
I think he was a huge part of us figuring out three at the back last season, as soon as we had a talented dribbler like him on the left and Kane Wilson on the right we were a different animal

The transition from Steve McClaren to Gary Rowett is one of the most devastating pieces of mismanagement many of us will ever see at the club. We were under no restrictions, had more money than ever and were already one of the best sides in the division - still managed to monumentally f*** it.
McClaren’s sacking the first time around is where it all went wrong. We haven’t had a set of players and manager that suited each other so well since. We had a clear identity and willingly threw it away.
The link to the Newcastle was completely overblown by a section of media/fans around the club that are insistent on shooting themselves in the foot.
If it wasn’t for an injury crisis we’d have gone up that season automatically and no one would have been bothered about Newcastle.
McClaren’s poor media skills turned him into a pantomime villain - he said he wouldn’t go at one point but kept getting asked. He’s also said that, before he was sacked, he’d decided to stay.
His resultant sacking was the beginning of the end, from then on we spent years and millions of pounds chasing what we already had with him and Simmo.
You only have to look at who Mel hired in the following two seasons to see that he had absolutely no clue what direction to go in once we’d lost that identity. There was no theme to Clement to Pearson, back to McClaren and eventually Rowett.
It turned us into an unrecognisable blob of several managers ideas that, outside of Lampard’s loans, have never looked like we could go up to the Premier League and stick since.
When we ended up with Rowett we had a manager who was the polar opposite of McClaren (defensive and media savvy). That side was then dismantled after wasting two years where McClaren could have got them up.
Not saying McClaren was perfect but sticking with him was our best bet.
 
 

The transition from Steve McClaren to Gary Rowett is one of the most devastating pieces of mismanagement many of us will ever see at the club. We were under no restrictions, had more money than ever and were already one of the best sides in the division - still managed to monumentally f*** it.
McClaren’s sacking the first time around is where it all went wrong. We haven’t had a set of players and manager that suited each other so well since. We had a clear identity and willingly threw it away.
The link to the Newcastle was completely overblown by a section of media/fans around the club that are insistent on shooting themselves in the foot.
If it wasn’t for an injury crisis we’d have gone up that season automatically and no one would have been bothered about Newcastle.
McClaren’s poor media skills turned him into a pantomime villain - he said he wouldn’t go at one point but kept getting asked. He’s also said that, before he was sacked, he’d decided to stay.
His resultant sacking was the beginning of the end, from then on we spent years and millions of pounds chasing what we already had with him and Simmo.
You only have to look at who Mel hired in the following two seasons to see that he had absolutely no clue what direction to go in once we’d lost that identity. There was no theme to Clement to Pearson, back to McClaren and eventually Rowett.
It turned us into an unrecognisable blob of several managers ideas that, outside of Lampard’s loans, have never looked like we could go up to the Premier League and stick since.
When we ended up with Rowett we had a manager who was the polar opposite of McClaren (defensive and media savvy). That side was then dismantled after wasting two years where McClaren could have got them up.
Not saying McClaren was perfect but sticking with him was our best bet.
 
 

The transition from Steve McClaren to Gary Rowett is one of the most devastating pieces of mismanagement many of us will ever see at the club. We were under no restrictions, had more money than ever and were already one of the best sides in the division - still managed to monumentally f*** it.
McClaren’s sacking the first time around is where it all went wrong. We haven’t had a set of players and manager that suited each other so well since. We had a clear identity and willingly threw it away.
The link to the Newcastle was completely overblown by a section of media/fans around the club that are insistent on shooting themselves in the foot.
If it wasn’t for an injury crisis we’d have gone up that season automatically and no one would have been bothered about Newcastle.
McClaren’s poor media skills turned him into a pantomime villain - he said he wouldn’t go at one point but kept getting asked. He’s also said that, before he was sacked, he’d decided to stay.
His resultant sacking was the beginning of the end, from then on we spent years and millions of pounds chasing what we already had with him and Simmo.
You only have to look at who Mel hired in the following two seasons to see that he had absolutely no clue what direction to go in once we’d lost that identity. There was no theme to Clement to Pearson, back to McClaren and eventually Rowett.
It turned us into an unrecognisable blob of several managers ideas that, outside of Lampard’s loans, have never looked like we could go up to the Premier League and stick since.
When we ended up with Rowett we had a manager who was the polar opposite of McClaren (defensive and media savvy). That side was then dismantled after wasting two years where McClaren could have got them up.
Not saying McClaren was perfect but sticking with him was our best bet.
 
 

The transition from Steve McClaren to Gary Rowett is one of the most devastating pieces of mismanagement many of us will ever see at the club. We were under no restrictions, had more money than ever and were already one of the best sides in the division - still managed to monumentally f*** it.
McClaren’s sacking the first time around is where it all went wrong. We haven’t had a set of players and manager that suited each other so well since. We had a clear identity and willingly threw it away.
The link to the Newcastle was completely overblown by a section of media/fans around the club that are insistent on shooting themselves in the foot.
If it wasn’t for an injury crisis we’d have gone up that season automatically and no one would have been bothered about Newcastle.
McClaren’s poor media skills turned him into a pantomime villain - he said he wouldn’t go at one point but kept getting asked. He’s also said that, before he was sacked, he’d decided to stay.
His resultant sacking was the beginning of the end, from then on we spent years and millions of pounds chasing what we already had with him and Simmo.
You only have to look at who Mel hired in the following two seasons to see that he had absolutely no clue what direction to go in once we’d lost that identity. There was no theme to Clement to Pearson, back to McClaren and eventually Rowett.
It turned us into an unrecognisable blob of several managers ideas that, outside of Lampard’s loans, have never looked like we could go up to the Premier League and stick since.
When we ended up with Rowett we had a manager who was the polar opposite of McClaren (defensive and media savvy). That side was then dismantled after wasting two years where McClaren could have got them up.
Not saying McClaren was perfect but sticking with him was our best bet.
 
 

They way we celebrated on the pitch , coming second on Tier 3 . Was totally embarrassing.