The_Sheriff Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Like all of you I cannot wait for Saturday. I was young when we last got automatic promotion so it's my first real taste of it in person, live at the game. This temptation has made me question my own principles. I have seen many DCFC fans back us to fail and Bolton to make top 2 at 100/1. This has now gone to 50/1. So my question to all is.. is it OK to bet against your own team? To set up a consolation prize? Or is this as good as treason? Edited April 25 by The_Sheriff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I imagine several people have done it at a playoff final. In this particular scenario, it seems so far-fetched for Derby to lose by a few goals and Bolton to win by a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 21 minutes ago, The_Sheriff said: Like all of you I cannot wait for Saturday. I was young when we last got automatic promotion so it's my first real taste of it in person, live at the game. This temptation has made me question my own principles. I have seen many DCFC fans back us to fail and Bolton to make top 2 at 100/1. This has now gone to 50/1. So my question to all is.. is it OK to bet against your own team? To set up a consolation prize? Or is this as good as treason? There's a subtle difference depending on how much you stand to win and how it affects your support of the team on Saturday. On the one hand some of us are taking advantage of the ridiculous odds offered by the bookies, in order to ease the pain if things go wrong on Saturday. Where it goes into the traitor territory is if you bet enough money whereby you actually want Derby to mess up. Like many moral decisions we all have a price. If someone offered anyone on here a free £100k bet on Derby missing out on the autos, I suspect that we would all put up with the play offs and take our chances. If you look at it from one point view, a fan who has put £100 on to win £10,000 and is still cheering on the Rams on Saturday, is proving their loyalty to the Rams because they're willing the team to win even though it's costing them £10,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I thought this was gonna be about revealing Simmo's true allegiance after the game! 🤣 Jortat, Walkley Ram and The_Sheriff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, ram59 said: There's a subtle difference depending on how much you stand to win and how it affects your support of the team on Saturday. On the one hand some of us are taking advantage of the ridiculous odds offered by the bookies, in order to ease the pain if things go wrong on Saturday. Where it goes into the traitor territory is if you bet enough money whereby you actually want Derby to mess up. Like many moral decisions we all have a price. If someone offered anyone on here a free £100k bet on Derby missing out on the autos, I suspect that we would all put up with the play offs and take our chances. If you look at it from one point view, a fan who has put £100 on to win £10,000 and is still cheering on the Rams on Saturday, is proving their loyalty to the Rams because they're willing the team to win even though it's costing them £10,000. So what you are saying is its OK to bet against your own as long as you want your bet to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Would you cheat on your partner?, Steal from you Children's piggy bank?, Wipe your willy on your future in laws curtains? 2 out of the 3 above you wouldn't do And you should never ever bet against your football team. BathRam72, Reggie Greenwood, Gee SCREAMER !! and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 38 minutes ago, The_Sheriff said: So what you are saying is its OK to bet against your own as long as you want your bet to lose Seems to be the gist of it. Betting's a mugs game anyway. You're better off getting you mug from Paul Warne after scoring a goal for him. Apparently they all have the names of different companies on them with a web address that usually says sales@-----.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, The_Sheriff said: So what you are saying is its OK to bet against your own as long as you want your bet to lose Yes, I just don't see the problem with it. I don't want Derby to lose, I'll be there cheering them on as much as anyone else on Saturday, in spite of not winning a few bob on the game. None of my actions will have any detrimental effect on Derby's chances of getting automatic promotion. As it happens it's not even my money, thanks to the joining offers, you put a first bet on an odds on match, get your money back, then put the bookies' bonus on Bolton, so I haven't put a penny of my money against Derby, technically. I'm comfortable with it, those who aren't, then don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: I imagine several people have done it at a playoff final. In this particular scenario, it seems so far-fetched for Derby to lose by a few goals and Bolton to win by a few. If Ferguson puts out the same side, one will be plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Bet on us drawing away at Norwich the day Nuge scored that belter. Just felt dirty. Never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Here's one for you. The ad revenue on this forum increases following a defeat. I never find myself taking much comfort from that, I would prefer to take the 3 points every single week. If you're betting against your club and find yourself wanting us to lose for profit, that's when you have some serious questions to ask yourself in private. Crewton, The_Sheriff, Walkley Ram and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 15 minutes ago, Day said: The ad revenue on this forum increases following a defeat. It's a sad reflection that this is the case. Is this because more unique posters come to the site after a defeat than a win? Or because there is more posting and engagement after a defeat. Many of the people who post negatively after a defeat get replies back, then a debate is generated. Whereas people posting postively after a win and less likely to get replies. It always makes my heart sink a little when the matchday thread only has about 15 pages on a Saturday evening after a straightforward 2-0 home win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: It's a sad reflection that this is the case. Is this because more unique posters come to the site after a defeat than a win? Or because there is more posting and engagement after a defeat. Many of the people who post negatively after a defeat get replies back, then a debate is generated. Whereas people posting postively after a win and less likely to get replies. It always makes my heart sink a little when the matchday thread only has about 15 pages on a Saturday evening after a straightforward 2-0 home win. As you say, negativity sparks debates, positivity rarely does, it will simply receive more reactions. Same all over I would expect, Twitter trending topics are usually having a pop at something rather than celebrate something positive. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) I'm a semi-professional in betting and I cringe when I hear this kind of stuff. Two fundamental rules: 1) Betting shouldn't be emotionally loaded. 2) You only bet when the odds are higher than they should be. Seems like your bet would be against both of these rules. Edited April 26 by Dimmu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 For all those considering placing a bet on the oppo, just to make yourself feel better should tomorrow turn out to be a complete shitzfest, there are alternative methods to get that smug grin back on your face faster than you can suck those balls into the back of the net... https://danielbeavis.muchloved.com/ #still open for business #bets still being taken #etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Each to their own but if we somehow manage to do a Derby and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again, £500 will somewhat cushion the blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Each to their own but if we somehow manage to do a Derby and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again, £500 will somewhat cushion the blow. It'll pay for your weekend out at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Dimmu said: I'm a semi-professional in betting Is that a translation error, I mean how do you become semi professional in betting? Especially when bookies don’t like profit making customers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 32 minutes ago, Day said: Is that a translation error, I mean how do you become semi professional in betting? Especially when bookies don’t like profit making customers Der! "Semi" means half. For every pound he bets, he wins half of it back! Simples! Walkley Ram, G STAR RAM and Grimbeard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 For those who think that these insurance bets are traitorous, how do you feel about supporters who actively damage the team's moral by booing them off the pitch or more commonly slagging individual players off on social media? Those are 2 things which get to me, I'll criticise a player with my mates but never on social media or forums, where it is likely to harm team moral. maxjam, S6 boy and ariotofmyown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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