sage Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 26/03/2024 at 20:28, Derbados said: Safegate the footballing dinosaur strikes again. Good lord it’s just painful isn’t it. Makes Warneball look like prime Guardiola We had 19 attempts at goal against the 4th ranked team in the world. Ramrob, Rammy03, bcnram and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 17 minutes ago, sage said: We had 19 attempts at goal against the 4th ranked team in the world. It wouldn't surprise me if half of the people that make comments, like the ones above, haven't even watched the game. Crewton and AndyinLiverpool 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 Doesn’t really matter. It’s only a friendly. England need a notch on their belt in a competitive game against a top rival. A win over Portugal or Spain in the 1/4 final would give everyone the confidence that we can actually win it. But what we will probably get is an easy run to the semi-final where we play a big boy and we unluckily lose, again, just like we did in 2002, 2004, 2006 with the last golden generation and 2018, 2020 and 2022 with this one. I’m 35 and the only big scalps we’ve had in my time is Spain 96 (at Wembley) and Germany 2022 (at Wembley and they were at their worst for two decades). 28 years (and 13 major tournaments) of properly watching England football and only 2 wins against big names in knockout football. Belgium have more than that over the past 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: It wouldn't surprise me if half of the people that make comments, like the ones above, haven't even watched the game. Sadly I think a lot of this is personal and political. The stuff some come out with is beyond rational debate. AndyinLiverpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Doesn’t really matter. It’s only a friendly. England need a notch on their belt in a competitive game against a top rival. A win over Portugal or Spain in the 1/4 final would give everyone the confidence that we can actually win it. But what we will probably get is an easy run to the semi-final where we play a big boy and we unluckily lose, again, just like we did in 2002, 2004, 2006 with the last golden generation and 2018, 2020 and 2022 with this one. I’m 35 and the only big scalps we’ve had in my time is Spain 96 (at Wembley) and Germany 2022 (at Wembley and they were at their worst for two decades). 28 years (and 13 major tournaments) of properly watching England football and only 2 wins against big names in knockout football. Belgium have more than that over the past 4 years. Holland 1996 Argentina 2002 We've also beaten plenty of good South American and African teams in that time but because they aren't Brazil, Germany or Italy, people just assume they can't be good teams. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 22 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Holland 1996 Argentina 2002 We've also beaten plenty of good South American and African teams in that time but because they aren't Brazil, Germany or Italy, people just assume they can't be good teams. I think some people think that if England beat them, they are not good teams. On no account should we give England any credit. Crewton, darren22 and Rammy03 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 15 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I think some people think that if England beat them, they are not good teams. On no account should we give England any credit. At least we are used to that sort of thing on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 56 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I think some people think that if England beat them, they are not good teams. On no account should we give England any credit. TimRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Never watched either game, Never been so disinterested in England FC...Posted from the Tower of London 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Holland 1996 Argentina 2002 We've also beaten plenty of good South American and African teams in that time but because they aren't Brazil, Germany or Italy, people just assume they can't be good teams. They were group games. What teams have we beaten in knockout football where you can genuinely call them a genuine contender? Ecuador, Paraguay, Colombia and Senegal? Come on. England should be beating them if we consider ourselves a contender for the tournament. On the contrary every time we come up against an Argentina, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, Italy, France or Brazil on foreign soil in a knockout game we have lost. Croatia and Belgium have beaten more ‘contenders’ in the past two tournaments than we have in the past 15. Crazy. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: They were group games. What teams have we beaten in knockout football where you can genuinely call them a genuine contender? Ecuador, Paraguay, Colombia and Senegal? Come on. England should be beating them if we consider ourselves a contender for the tournament. On the contrary every time we come up against an Argentina, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, Italy, France or Brazil on foreign soil in a knockout game we have lost. Croatia and Belgium have beaten more ‘contenders’ in the past two tournaments than we have in the past 15. Crazy. Are group games not competitive games then? It doesn't matter who we beat, it will never be good enough for the people sat there waiting to say how rubbish we are the moment we lose a game. Who are the 'contenders' that Croatia and Belgium have beaten? And why is it crazy? They are 2 decent footballing nations. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 No idea why so many people are constantly miserable about England. It must be something in the national psyche. Regardless, this thread will be better off if people who don't give a toss about the national team keep those thoughts to themselves. sage, darren22, AndyinLiverpool and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Kane would have made all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 11 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Holland 1996 Argentina 2002 We've also beaten plenty of good South American and African teams in that time but because they aren't Brazil, Germany or Italy, people just assume they can't be good teams. 10 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I think some people think that if England beat them, they are not good teams. On no account should we give England any credit. On Ben Foster's pod cast, The Cycling GK, he says that England have won 6 of the last 27 games against teams ranked in the top 10, I haven't fact checked it, but if true that is a pretty poor record, and backs what @Bris Vegas is saying, we need a win against one of the better nations to give everyone (fans and players) the belief that we can win against these teams, and we deserve to be considered a feared top nation, instead of a flat track bully. Foster and Darren Bent also say the same in the same podcast. Bris Vegas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Are group games not competitive games then? It doesn't matter who we beat, it will never be good enough for the people sat there waiting to say how rubbish we are the moment we lose a game. Who are the 'contenders' that Croatia and Belgium have beaten? And why is it crazy? They are 2 decent footballing nations. My original post states knockout games. But if you want to go that way, sure we can Argentina and Holland to the wins, and we can also add Portugal (00), France (04), Italy, Uruguay (2014) and Belgium (18) to the list - more defeats than wins. Belgium and Croatia have beaten Portugal, Brazil and England in the past few years. The crazy part is that they have more wins against top teams in the past 3 tournaments than England do in the past 15. When you factor in Iceland, Romania and the Euro 2008 debacle, we’re probably equally likely to lose to a team outside the top 20 as we are beating a fellow top 10 side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: My original post states knockout games. But if you want to go that way, sure we can Argentina and Holland to the wins, and we can also add Portugal (00), France (04), Italy, Uruguay (2014) and Belgium (18) to the list - more defeats than wins. Belgium and Croatia have beaten Portugal, Brazil and England in the past few years. The crazy part is that they have more wins against top teams in the past 3 tournaments than England do in the past 15. When you factor in Iceland, Romania and the Euro 2008 debacle, we’re probably equally likely to lose to a team outside the top 20 as we are beating a fellow top 10 side. I imagine if England had beaten Portugal and Brazil you would be pointing out that they were the worst Portuguese and Brazilian teams in decades... AndyinLiverpool and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 Just now, G STAR RAM said: I imagine if England had beaten Portugal and Brazil you would be pointing out that they were the worst Portuguese and Brazilian teams in decades... Hardly. I only say that about Germany at 2020 because they failed to get out of their world cup 2018 and 2022 group. The past six years Germany have been about as good as England were between 2010-16. Crap. England would have won Euro 2004 had Rooney not been injured and we beat Portugal on penalties. I’m sure of that. It’s not even a hate thing. I thought we were the better side against France in 2022. I just want us to beat a big name and prove we are good enough to win a tournament. Beating the likes of Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Senegal and Colombia is all good but it won’t win us tournaments. rynny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 9 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Hardly. I only say that about Germany at 2020 because they failed to get out of their world cup 2018 and 2022 group. The past six years Germany have been about as good as England were between 2010-16. Crap. England would have won Euro 2004 had Rooney not been injured and we beat Portugal on penalties. I’m sure of that. It’s not even a hate thing. I thought we were the better side against France in 2022. I just want us to beat a big name and prove we are good enough to win a tournament. Beating the likes of Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Senegal and Colombia is all good but it won’t win us tournaments. Nor did beating Portugal and Brazil, for Croatia and Belgium. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 England have been on the wrong end of some pretty disgraceful refereeing/officiating eg: Maradona 1986, Beckham's red card v Argentina 1998, Lampard's "goal" v Germany 2010 to name but 3 that, had the correct decisions been made, might have led to a different outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) I wonder of other countries fans have gone into meltdown. France and Netherlands have both been beaten by previously struggling Germany. France then later squeezed past Chile 3-2 with a deflected shot and Chile hitting the post. Spain only drew with Brazil due to 2 soft penalties. Italy edged the might of Venezuala 2-1. Portugal lost 2-0 to Slovenia. We had over half our probable starting XI missing. Chill out people. Edited March 29 by sage Crewton, TigerTedd, AndyinLiverpool and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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