Chris_Martin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: So you was enjoying watching us playing 100 passes between the back 4 whilst drawing 0-0 with Shrewsbury or losing 2-1 (I think) to Lincoln. As you say, everyone to their own! Rosenior was building towards something though and at the same time had to gel an entire new squad together. The reason for the possesion based game was so that we could really control games. Not like now where we sit back and let the opposition dictate how the games going to go. Lets not forget Rosenior never had Didzy match fit who we now know carried warne for the 2nd half of last season. Adslegend, JMC, Jimbo Ram and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: And why should he? Would you just quit not even half way through a fixed term contract? Being the white knight that you are you'd obviously do the decent thing though Who said I would walk? I wouldn’t in his position. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, DazzaRam said: Whoever advised Clowes to appoint Warne over Rosenoir should be locked up for football crimes!! If its just Clowes's decision then he should pay up for his horrendous error. Clowes will always be a hero for saving the club but the decision to not appoint Rosenoir will go down in history as one of the worst at Derby. Warne has sucked the life out of Derby fans. Hes in a special club of managers now along with Jewell,Brown and Docherty!! I think without the benefit of hindsight, I would have definitely looked at Paul Warne as a candidate based on performance. Sadly, I think he just hasn't proved he can take his managerial ability to a bigger reputation club. You're right though, I was a big Rosenior fan. I could see the shoots of great football, and we definitely seem to create more and we were genuinely unlucky in some away games, Charlton springs to mind. A really good project the fans could get behind on the cards. Rookie manager, bundled together squad with some quality. I'd have given it a go even for the simple reason of a "good factor" feel, nothing to lose. DazzaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: but the goal is to get in the championship. whats the point of hiring him if we would need to replace him as soon as we went up. If the goal is to get to The Championship, how is hiring someone with 3 promotions to The Championship a shocking decision, which is what the poster said? r_wilcockson and Rammy03 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzaRam Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, SSD said: I think without the benefit of hindsight, I would have definitely looked at Paul Warne as a candidate based on performance. Sadly, I think he just hasn't proved he can take his managerial ability to a bigger reputation club. You're right though, I was a big Rosenior fan. I could see the shoots of great football, and we definitely seem to create more and we were genuinely unlucky in some away games, Charlton springs to mind. A really good project the fans could get behind on the cards. Rookie manager, bundled together squad with some quality. I'd have given it a go even for the simple reason of a "good factor" feel, nothing to lose. Anybody that knows me knew i was gutted we chucked away the chance with Rosenoir. When Rosenoir was on Sky working on the Championship he was superb analysing games. The only one worth listening to. The way he chucked a squad together in like 3 weeks and for us to dominate games and be 7th after 9 games was unbelievable. But you hear the same rubbish..."ooh we never scored away"..about Rosenoir. Charlton away should have been over at half time...Lincoln away 2 disallowed goals that were never offside. Rosenoir is class. A football crime was committed at Derby County. McMuffin and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Derby4Me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, DazzaRam said: Whoever advised Clowes to appoint Warne over Rosenoir should be locked up for football crimes!! If its just Clowes's decision then he should pay up for his horrendous error. Clowes will always be a hero for saving the club but the decision to not appoint Rosenoir will go down in history as one of the worst at Derby. Warne has sucked the life out of Derby fans. Hes in a special club of managers now along with Jewell,Brown and Docherty!! It's not that dumb a decision was it. 3 promotions from the League we found ourselves floundering in. Only red flag was only one team on hs CV plus immediate relegations each time. Derby4Me, jimtastic56, Tamworthram and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, S8TY said: because it was in its infancy! it needed time... time he never got...but lets give Warne time to turn us into a real L1 side eh! Both Rosenior's and Warne needed time to implement there game, one has had enough time for me and I also know which one was better to watch So Rosenior with his own players had 11/12 games and it was in its infancy. Warne with his players has had only slightly longer, with most of his signings out injured, but that is not in its infancy? Not even defending Warne, just pointing out the inconsistency in the way you judge the 2. I have been bored by both styles to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Both of those games were far more enjoyable than our last 2 Saturdays In your opinion. Equally boring in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: Rosenior was building towards something though and at the same time had to gel an entire new squad together. The reason for the possesion based game was so that we could really control games. Not like now where we sit back and let the opposition dictate how the games going to go. Lets not forget Rosenior never had Didzy match fit who we now know carried warne for the 2nd half of last season. So we were winning all of these games we were controlling I assume? How come we were 7th in the division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzaRam Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: It's not that dumb a decision was it. 3 promotions from the League we found ourselves floundering in. Only red flag was only one team on hs CV plus immediate relegations each time. I did find it dumb for many reasons. Why let a interim manager sign players to play a certain way and then replace him with a bloke with a totally view on football...with 3 relegations on his CV. jimtastic56, S8TY and BPV 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, DazzaRam said: I did find it dumb for many reasons. Why let a interim manager sign players to play a certain way and then replace him with a bloke with a totally view on football...with 3 relegations on his CV. What are these many reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: If the goal is to get to The Championship, how is hiring someone with 3 promotions to The Championship a shocking decision, which is what the poster said? You could say the same about England hiring Capello after he won the league title with Real Madrid for the first time in several seasons without actually delving into the details. Warne was never the right fit. S8TY and BPV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo70 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 John Eustace was doing an excellent job at Birmingham until they showed him the door. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: If the goal is to get to The Championship, how is hiring someone with 3 promotions to The Championship a shocking decision, which is what the poster said? because he's never kept a team in the championship before. So isn't it very short term to hire someone who is effectively useless as soon as we get promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilkestonian Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: because he's never kept a team in the championship before. So isn't it very short term to hire someone who is effectively useless as soon as we get promoted? No because you can just get rid after we've got promoted like we should've done with the poison dwarf and get someone more equipped for the higher division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Warne isn't a pragmatist though. He's a one style manager. Be really fit and out work them. A pragmatist would look at what resources we have in the squad and try to make efficient team of it. Warnock is the great example of this, his team's have the irritating character of Colin himself but they always set up to make the most of what he has rather than "we will do X and if that doesn't work do it harder" Walkley Ram, BPV and angieram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 33 minutes ago, DazzaRam said: Whoever advised Clowes to appoint Warne over Rosenoir should be locked up for football crimes!! If its just Clowes's decision then he should pay up for his horrendous error. Clowes will always be a hero for saving the club but the decision to not appoint Rosenoir will go down in history as one of the worst at Derby. Warne has sucked the life out of Derby fans. Hes in a special club of managers now along with Jewell,Brown and Docherty!! Agree it was a clear mistake, don’t let him do more damage. Get him out his reluctance to make a change is worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: I wouldn't say either were good to watch,both boring in their own pointless ways,neither of which produced a great deal of goals. I get what you're saying but to think Rosenior or any manager with a new team could get us playing great no fault football in 7 games is a lot to ask...but given time i beleive we'd be happier than what we are now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: You could say the same about England hiring Capello after he won the league title with Real Madrid for the first time in several seasons without actually delving into the details. Warne was never the right fit. League football and knockout competition are completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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