angieram Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Just now, duncanjwitham said: Second half last night was what I was expecting this season to look like (early on anyway) - reasonably solid at the back, lots of running around, plenty of half-chances, but never really looking like scoring one of them. I wouldn't exactly say it was good, but it was certainly miles better than the first half. And FWIW, Bird and Cashin (plus Forsyth and Waghorn), all played well and were probably our best players. I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Vickers Nelson Fozzie Cashin Ward Smith Thompson Elder NML Bird Collins Subs Wildsmith Rooney Hourhane Robinson Washington Waghorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Stockyram92 said: Okay, id have to disagree They did the basics better, nothing more, id say they were average at best, did you honestly walk away from the game thinking "bloody hell, bird and cashin were good tonight"? It's all relative. Bird did well compared with the rest of the midfield, and Cashin did well compared with Bradley and Nelson. Take the highlights in isolation: Blackpool attack #1: Nelson initially out of position on the left side of defence, drifts towards the middle and misses a clearance, then when back on the right he fails to put the effort in to jump up and challenge for the cross resulting in the goal. Throughout all this, Bradley may as well have stood on a 1p coins since he chose not to move at all. Blackpool attack #2: Wilson loses is, Blackpool player skips through Smith. When the shot is struck, Cashin is the only CB who has managed to sprint back to our own box. Wilson (and Elder) put everything in to chase back, which helped Vickers in his 1v1, something Bradley didn't do vs Wigan Blackpool attack #3: long ball down field. Cashin pressing high as instructed by Warne. No idea what Elder was thinking as he heads it. Nelson didn't follow his man the whole way, otherwise he could have either intercepted Elder's header, or at least put a challenge in on the forward who scored. Bradley watching play going on all around him. Derby attack #1: Cashin passes to Hourihane who put a hopeless cross in the box behind the goal. Derby attack #2: Bird dribbling up the pitch, feeds Waghorn who shoots just wide of the post. Derby attack #3: Waghorn picks up the ball in the middle, find Thompson who plays a perfectly weighted first time pass to Ward despite surrounded by 3 men. Ward feeds Washington with a through ball who shoots straight at the keeper Caerphilly Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, Wsm-ram said: I think Hourihane being made captain just complicates the midfield picture. Does it now make him undroppable?. I just don't think he offers enough and is bypassed too easily. Fine if we have high energy around him and some real grit then it becomes a different conversation. Sadly we don't. On the point of Hourihane being undroppable I’d say no. He was hooked at half time last night, Warne was bold enough to make that choice so I suspect he’s willing to do so from the start. I might be wrong of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I suppose he was signed as such, but is Elder actually a wingback rather than a fullback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockyram92 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: It's all relative. Bird did well compared with the rest of the midfield, and Cashin did well compared with Bradley and Nelson. Take the highlights in isolation: Blackpool attack #1: Nelson initially out of position on the left side of defence, drifts towards the middle and misses a clearance, then when back on the right he fails to put the effort in to jump up and challenge for the cross resulting in the goal. Throughout all this, Bradley may as well have stood on a 1p coins since he chose not to move at all. Blackpool attack #2: Wilson loses is, Blackpool player skips through Smith. When the shot is struck, Cashin is the only CB who has managed to sprint back to our own box. Wilson (and Elder) put everything in to chase back, which helped Vickers in his 1v1, something Bradley didn't do vs Wigan Blackpool attack #3: long ball down field. Cashin pressing high as instructed by Warne. No idea what Elder was thinking as he heads it. Nelson didn't follow his man the whole way, otherwise he could have either intercepted Elder's header, or at least put a challenge in on the forward who scored. Bradley watching play going on all around him. Derby attack #1: Cashin passes to Hourihane who put a hopeless cross in the box behind the goal. Derby attack #2: Bird dribbling up the pitch, feeds Waghorn who shoots just wide of the post. Derby attack #3: Waghorn picks up the ball in the middle, find Thompson who plays a perfectly weighted first time pass to Ward despite surrounded by 3 men. Ward feeds Washington with a through ball who shoots straight at the keeper I understand that, but when everyone else you're comparing them too were hopeless it's just not much of a measure of performance is it? I don't think that means cashin and bird played well, they just didn't play as bad as everyone else, first half I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerB Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said: On the point of Hourihane being undroppable I’d say no. He was hooked at half time last night, Warne was bold enough to make that choice so I suspect he’s willing to do so from the start. I might be wrong of course. Not the first time it’s happened IIRC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I suppose he was signed as such, but is Elder actually a wingback rather than a fullback? He is a full back never crosses with his left book so no threat ! Fozzie far more dangerous with his crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 58 minutes ago, Stockyram92 said: Okay, id have to disagree They did the basics better, nothing more, id say they were average at best, did you honestly walk away from the game thinking "bloody hell, bird and cashin were good tonight"? Always gonna look better when the away team decides a two goal lead is enough and takes their foot off the gas too strawhillram and Foreveram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Burton away strikes me as exactly the kind of game that Bradley was brought in for so it would be ironic if we left him out due to poor form. I think stick with the back 3 and just drop the kamikaze tactics - at least until the side is more settled. SouthDerbysRam and Caerphilly Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Blondest Goat said: Burton away strikes me as exactly the kind of game that Bradley was brought in for so it would be ironic if we left him out due to poor form. I think stick with the back 3 and just drop the kamikaze tactics - at least until the side is more settled. That's a good point and as I have mentioned elsewhere, this system may work a lot better in away games when teams are coming on to us more. I'm certainly hoping so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I'd play this team against Burton Wildsmith Wilson Bradley Cashin Forsyth Bird Hourihane Sibley NML Waghorn Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Rammy03 said: I'd play this team against Burton Wildsmith Wilson Bradley Cashin Forsyth Bird Hourihane Sibley NML Waghorn Brown Brown has done nothing to start a game much as it would be a positive sometime this season. IlsonDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Magicman said: Brown has done nothing to start a game much as it would be a positive sometime this season. Rather see him play then any other forward. He has the pace we currently lack and desperately need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: I'd play this team against Burton Wildsmith Wilson Bradley Cashin Forsyth Bird Hourihane Sibley NML Waghorn Brown You’d drop Ward in place of brown??? Ward can play attacking wide right, NML can play on the left. Dajuane is 17 he doesn’t need to be coming into this shhht storm right now. He needs protecting and using when the time is right. Magicman and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Wildsmith Rooney Nelson Cashin Ward Fozzy Hourihane Thompson NML Collins Washington Wasn't sure about Nelson or Bradley, but wanted Rooney in to add a bit more athleticism. Likewise NML in a free role could enable us to be a bit more aggressive, with 5 at the back he needs to reinvent himself if he wants to stay in a team with no wingers, and I'm not sure part of a front 2 is it. Also I never did like 5 at the back plus 3 holding midfielders, too negative. I've dropped Bradley and Bird rather arbitrarily I realise, but want to try to add a bit of ... well ... something to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Bird is never a 10 or CAM so why play him there, I would play him and Hourihane in a 4231 as below Vickers Rooney / Smith Nelson Cashin Fozzy Bird Hourihane NML Waggy Washington Collins All 3 behind Collins are capable of swapping and joining in the attack to support Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Curtains said: Well Warne can have no idea on his best team at the minute. Its too early though to judge as players still being integrated Lots of work needed on the training ground and at least 2 more additions ie Striker and box to box midfielder. Well yes, replacing McGoldrick and Knight.... was anyone under the illusion that it would be easy, or inexpensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Wildsmith, Ward, Bradley, Cashin, Fozzy, Bird, Thomson, Nml, Waggy, Washington, Collo. 4231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 A big part of the problem is that there isn't a single formation where we can place all players in their preferred positions and have a balanced team. GK: Wildsmith, Vickers, Loach RCB: Nelson, Rooney CB: Cashin, Bradley LCB: - RB: - LB: Forsyth, Elder RWB: Ward, Wilson LWB: - DM: Bird, Smith CM: Hourihane, LThompson AM: Sibley RW: Mendez-Laing, Barkhuizen LW: - CF: Collins, Washington, Waghorn We lack a pacey left sided CB and an effective left wing back to play 5 at the back. We don't have a defensively minded RB to play 4 at the back. The midfield could be balanced when playing in the right 3 man midfield system, but would lack balance with a 2 man midfield. We lack a top left winger or inside forward to play with wingers. All of our CFs prefer playing in a 2, meaning any formation with 1 up top is innefective. duncanjwitham, Anag Ram, Carnero and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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