RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Macintosh said: The 'And' is do we offload him now and take a £5m hit on what is owned to Arsenal still, if that's the true amount? Do we loan him out to remove his wages? Do we hope his value increases if he was to get games at the World Cup and then sell him? He has become a millstone because the gamble Morris took thinking he was the missing piece of the jigsaw to get us promoted. Value-wise it is probably best to play him every week here even if it harms his World Cup chances. But how likely is that to be possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macintosh Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But how likely is that to be possible? Any player in the squad should be hoping to play 35-40 games in a season if their form is good and they are fit. I'd be looking for that from Conor Hourihane, Tom Barkhuizen, Haydon Roberts and Nathaniel Mendez-Laing. Joe Wildsmith, it is going to have to be 100 per cent. With Bielik in our side it would increase our promotion chances considerably, him and Hourihane should be the standout players in this division by a country mile. Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteroseram Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Must admit I kinda just assumed KB would leave but, like Bird, doesnt seem to be linked with much I thought he'd end up moving on loan, in a world Cup year his national manager has made it clear he wants to see him playing higher, but (without knowing what he's on) how many teams would match his wages on a longer contract given his injury history? Would they pay enough to cover what we owe, for the same reason? Not sure they would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBB Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 My feeling is he will go on a season long loan to a side abroad. Maybe Italy or Germany. whiteroseram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Bieliek in league one is like Ronaldo playing in the Scottish Premier league. He would have very little to test him - would be great for Derby if he were to stay and keep fit but I can’t see it happening. Keeping fit, that is ? RoyMac5 and Jimbo Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Macintosh said: Any player in the squad should be hoping to play 35-40 games in a season if their form is good and they are fit. I'd be looking for that from Conor Hourihane, Tom Barkhuizen, Haydon Roberts and Nathaniel Mendez-Laing. Joe Wildsmith, it is going to have to be 100 per cent. With Bielik in our side it would increase our promotion chances considerably, him and Hourihane should be the standout players in this division by a country mile. Not what I meant - I meant how likely is it he'll stay fit? If any other team was interested I'd say cut our losses and say bye bye. Too much risk in our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macintosh Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Not what I meant - I meant how likely is it he'll stay fit? If any other team was interested I'd say cut our losses and say bye bye. Too much risk in our situation. ? Only the medical staff know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Macintosh said: ? Only the medical staff know that. ? They knew he'd do his ACL again? That he'd do his shoulder? That Poland would injure his knee? He has history. It could happen to any player, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macintosh Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: ? They knew he'd do his ACL again? That he'd do his shoulder? That Poland would injure his knee? He has history. It could happen to any player, but... It's George Thorne all over again, a hush after each tackle, and that will likely never go away. My worry is how good is Bielek now because he never looked back to fitness on his last return. But, we'll know soon enough. I'd be sad though if he's running out for Hull, Reading, Wigan etc next season because the Polish manager said so. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonwright Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 The thing about Bielik moving... Would you take a chance on him if you were (for example) a Championship side? Doubt he's on low wages at the moment. There are a lot of safer bets, given his injury record. I'd love him to stick around this season. Think he could be great in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteroseram Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, vonwright said: The thing about Bielik moving... Would you take a chance on him if you were (for example) a Championship side? Doubt he's on low wages at the moment. There are a lot of safer bets, given his injury record. I'd love him to stick around this season. Think he could be great in League One. That's why I think he'll go on loan, less risk for whichever team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Macintosh said: It's George Thorne all over again, a hush after each tackle, and that will likely never go away. My worry is how good is Bielek now because he never looked back to fitness on his last return. But, we'll know soon enough. I'd be sad though if he's running out for Hull, Reading, Wigan etc next season because the Polish manager said so. I won't be sad, I'd be relieved we've got him off the payroll (we'll probably still owe Arsenal some fee even if we did). If he plays for some one else then good for him too. I'm a fan but ... Yesterday was enough to convince me there's plenty of 'free' cover that would be more than good enough at league 1 level, for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I won't be sad, I'd be relieved we've got him off the payroll (we'll probably still owe Arsenal some fee even if we did). If he plays for some one else then good for him too. I'm a fan but ... Yesterday was enough to convince me there's plenty of 'free' cover that would be more than good enough at league 1 level, for starters. If he gets his fitness back we will have the best player in the league. I wouldn’t be rushing to get shot just yet…. Comrade 86, MaltRam, JustOneBiblicalKazim and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 50 minutes ago, vonwright said: The thing about Bielik moving... Would you take a chance on him if you were (for example) a Championship side? Doubt he's on low wages at the moment. There are a lot of safer bets, given his injury record. I'd love him to stick around this season. Think he could be great in League One. Exactly this and I do think we will still have him, especially if another club thinks he will be missing for the whole of the World Cup and I can’t see us contributing his wages at another club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonwright Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, whiteroseram said: That's why I think he'll go on loan, less risk for whichever team Even as I loan I'd think twice, though. It's not like a loan comes at no cost, and there is a limit to how many clubs can have. If Bielik spends next season building his strength and confidence and fitness - and his knees stand up to it - there's no telling where he might be playing the following year. But right now... he's a tough sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 We might be getting a bit carried away. He was not wanted by Arsenal, played OK for Charlton in league 1 although won them the payoff final, then onto us.... Still a bit to prove re consistency and fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I do wish Bielik was not made of glass. ??? #COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I do think he will go out on loan as we will probably want his wages freed up for the year, but I don’t think a season in league 1 would be that bad for him. He needs a full season under his belt and I’d like to think he would have more chance of doing that without a huge strain on his body if he stayed here. Play him at home where we’re likely to dominate and on a good surface, then use him away as and when we’re playing a side with a decent pitch or who actually play football so he doesn’t get battered and bruised. whiteroseram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EulogyForEvolution Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 This is going to sound overly critical and i don't mean it to be, but I would really love him to want to stay and help us out of League One. We spent an awful lot on him and he has spent most of his time with us on the treatment table. I won't criticise him if he leaves on loan or a permanent - that's just what football is - but I'd love him to decide to stay and repay the faith. As some have said, a season in League One wouldn't be terrible for him. whiteroseram, Will Hughes Hair and The Scarlet Pimpernel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Has I been actually linked with anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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