Comrade 86 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) Never a pen in a million years. If you are going past a player or keeper you go one side or the other not through them. It's not a foul too stand your ground in football. Never has been. FIFA get their Messi vs Mbappe final though ? Edited December 13, 2022 by 86 Hair Islands Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 It’s been a weird game though. Argentina did nothing for the first 25 minutes. Croatia dominated the ball and territory without any shots. Just two little moments and it’s 2-0. Penalty and second goal came out of nowhere. If you are a Croatia fan you are wondering how you are losing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Never a pen in a million years. If you are going past a player or keeper you go one side or the other not through them. It's not a foul too stand your ground in football. Never has been. Obstruction has always been a foul. You see fouls (wrongly IMO) given against defenders who just stand there and get barged into by the attacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: I think you can say if the keeper doesn’t get the ball he will commit a foul and give away a penalty just like if any player on the field doesn’t win the challenge and prevents the player running through. He didn't challenge the player. Crewton and Carl Sagan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Obstruction has always been a foul. You see fouls (wrongly IMO) given against defenders who just stand there and get barged into by the attacker. Obstruction is when you move into the path of the player to prevent his progress. That wasn't the case here. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Obstruction is when you move into the path of the player to prevent his progress. That wasn't the case here. Is that the official line? I’ve seen fouls given all the time when the defender just stands there and gets bulldozed by an attacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Is that the official line? I’ve seen fouls given all the time when the defender just stands there and gets bulldozed by an attacker. Should be surely, but refs fall for it all the time when strikers just run into defenders who are standing their ground. Probably a case of them never playing the game. Edited December 13, 2022 by JoetheRam Carl Sagan and Bris Vegas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Is that the official line? I’ve seen fouls given all the time when the defender just stands there and gets bulldozed by an attacker. So simply running flat out into a player means they've fouled you. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Amazing from Messi. EtoileSportiveDeDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Yeah that shouldn't be legal on a football pitch. How anyone can watch Messi and say he isn't the best of all time is beyond me. The man is simply an alien. GOAT. inter politics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Also, how the hell are people saying that isn't a penalty? He's knocked it past him and been wiped out???? If he doesn't take him out it's a certain goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: So simply running flat out into a player means they've fouled you. Ok. I’m agreeing that I don’t think it’s a foul. But if the rules say it’s a foul it’s different. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 40 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: Watching the Argentina Croatia semifinal. As soon as the penalty was given I said that's not a foul. The keeper plants his feet, and draws the foul basketball style as the forward jumps into him. To my surprise Gary Neville and Roy Keane were in 100% agreement with me at HT. But the studio referee expert couldn't see it and said it's a penalty. The ref pundit kept saying "the goalkeeper's forward motion towards the striker" but manifestly there was none. Referees are idiots. The incident was remarkably similar to when Frank Fielding was sent off at the start of the 10-man game. For me, a foul on the keeper who made no motion towards the striker and couldn't get out of the way. I said exactly the same re Fielding. The player is shooting not dribbling and the keeper is spreading himself to save the shot. The forward runs into his attempted save, Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: Watching the Argentina Croatia semifinal. As soon as the penalty was given I said that's not a foul. The keeper plants his feet, and draws the foul basketball style as the forward jumps into him. To my surprise Gary Neville and Roy Keane were in 100% agreement with me at HT. But the studio referee expert couldn't see it and said it's a penalty. The ref pundit kept saying "the goalkeeper's forward motion towards the striker" but manifestly there was none. Referees are idiots. The incident was remarkably similar to when Frank Fielding was sent off at the start of the 10-man game. For me, a foul on the keeper who made no motion towards the striker and couldn't get out of the way. I said that straight away, the difference was Fielding was sent off. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 I still don’t rate this Argentina side. But they have a habit of winning and their style is getting the best out of their creative player(s). Only time they have looked like conceding is when facing an aerial bombardment or via wonder goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Bris Vegas said: I still don’t rate this Argentina side. But they have a habit of winning and their style is getting the best out of their creative player(s). Only time they have looked like conceding is when facing an aerial bombardment or via wonder goals. They were lucky the Dutch ceased their aerial bombardment as soon as they equalized. It was very strange. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Lack of a decent striker to link the play killed Croatia. Love Kovacic as a player. Don't know why he's not a regular starter for Chelsea. 5 finals for Argentina since 78. Impressive. Work hard, bit of skill, plenty of niggle, an awareness of how to kill a game and an incredible affinity with their own fans. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I do feel for the Croatian keeper, as the ball is nudged pass him he has no chance to get out of the way. But referees always seem to give those incidents as penalties. Messi assist for Alvarez's second was absolutely sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Highgate said: I do feel for the Croatian keeper, as the ball is nudged pass him he has no chance to get out of the way. But referees always seem to give those incidents as penalties. Messi assist for Alvarez's second was absolutely sublime. Referees always give penalties except to England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Obstruction has always been a foul. You see fouls (wrongly IMO) given against defenders who just stand there and get barged into by the attacker. Obstruction has always led to an indirect free kick though… even inside the area, so it seems the ref didn’t even consider that option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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