Stive Pesley Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 8 hours ago, Highgate said: I know nothing about that man, I've only ever heard about him on here really. Generally speaking if someone was apologizing for their previous beliefs which they genuinely no longer hold...then we should be able to accept them. But I guess it would be a gradual process and people would need some convincing. As for Navalny, I don't know to what extent he held onto the racist views of his youth, whether he changed his mind completely, partially or not at all. But given his view that the invasion of Ukraine was an illegal war crime and his support for making Russia an actual functioning democracy he would certainly have been an improvement on Putin. This is kind of why I asked the question as to whether anyone knew much about Navalny beyond the way he's been portrayed as a martyr against Putin in the west In arguably, he IS a martyr in so much as he went back to Russia, knowing full well that he would be killed, but the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should still be asked Trump is yet again today comparing himself to Navalny, and it's only a matter of time before the likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson do the same. Because we have corrupt establishments ourselves - and they are "the opposition", taking the populist anti-establishment stance. The only difference is that they are all grifting cowards who would never choose the path of martyrdom. They can't even take a milkshake to their £2000 suit without crying Highgate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 32 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: This is kind of why I asked the question as to whether anyone knew much about Navalny beyond the way he's been portrayed as a martyr against Putin in the west In arguably, he IS a martyr in so much as he went back to Russia, knowing full well that he would be killed, but the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should still be asked Trump is yet again today comparing himself to Navalny, and it's only a matter of time before the likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson do the same. Because we have corrupt establishments ourselves - and they are "the opposition", taking the populist anti-establishment stance. The only difference is that they are all grifting cowards who would never choose the path of martyrdom. They can't even take a milkshake to their £2000 suit without crying Your right , people should be happy having stuff thrown over them 😂 Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Archied said: Your right , people should be happy having stuff thrown over them 😂 I know it’s funny for people you don’t like to be targets stive but really where do you draw the line mate , im not keen on Greta t but I’m not sure it’s ok or funny for me to throw stuff of my choosing over her or anybody else who’s views I don’t agree with but hey ho you see it differently 🤷🏻♂️ £2000 suit ,,,,,, the old green eye rearing again😂 Edited February 21 by Archied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: The only difference is that they are all grifting cowards who would never choose the path of martyrdom. Find a popular niche in life and the sheep will follow, Social media and news outlets will supply those with all the information/disinformation they crave, You then have your followers and a foundation is built. Do we forgive those indiscretions of the past or should we be wary?...a conundrum for the confused mind 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said: And you've just fell into the web that Robinson promotes, Read his tweets and put then on here, And now I've read them 🤷♂️You see how it works, Get one person to read who promotes his ideology then get another to do your dirty work. PS...Not me 👎 Sorry Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 55 minutes ago, Archied said: I know it’s funny for people you don’t like to be targets stive but really where do you draw the line mate , im not keen on Greta t but I’m not sure it’s ok or funny for me to throw stuff of my choosing over her or anybody else who’s views I don’t agree with but hey ho you see it differently 🤷🏻♂️ £2000 suit ,,,,,, the old green eye rearing again😂 Sorry - the laughing face was because I thought you understood the nuance of what I said I'm not advocating for throwing milkshake on people, just saying that people who might like to paint themselves as being the equivalent Navalny-type anti-establishment figures would never lay down their life for their cause. The proof being that they don't even like having milkshakes or even bad words thrown at them. And the cost of the suit was nothing to do with jealousy - again just making the point that these grifters aren't "men of the people" like they claim to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said: Sorry - the laughing face was because I thought you understood the nuance of what I said I'm not advocating for throwing milkshake on people, just saying that people who might like to paint themselves as being the equivalent Navalny-type anti-establishment figures would never lay down their life for their cause. The proof being that they don't even like having milkshakes or even bad words thrown at them. And the cost of the suit was nothing to do with jealousy - again just making the point that these grifters aren't "men of the people" like they claim to be. Don’t most people claim to be men of the people or least think they know what’s best for the people 🤷🏻♂️, my point was really that what someone says in the past or even now doesn’t mean everything about them or everything they say is to be dismissed if it’s bad or berthed under the carpet if it’s good and though I’m a socialist at heart I also think humans need a little meritocracy that rewards hard work too , too easy to call someone down because they have more money than ourselves ( all relative) or put them in a box because there’s some areas we don’t Agee with ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said: Sorry - the laughing face was because I thought you understood the nuance of what I said I'm not advocating for throwing milkshake on people, just saying that people who might like to paint themselves as being the equivalent Navalny-type anti-establishment figures would never lay down their life for their cause. The proof being that they don't even like having milkshakes or even bad words thrown at them. And the cost of the suit was nothing to do with jealousy - again just making the point that these grifters aren't "men of the people" like they claim to be. This grifters thing is something I find interesting and kind of think it’s become another cover all throw away like woke or far right , divid icke is someone I’ve found very interesting from the days when I was very much into Green Party ( believe it or not given where I am today on what’s sold as green ) he was a pro footballer ,was leader of Green Party , had a very decent career in the media and was very well respected and pretty much set financially for the future ,,,,,, yet the path he chose was at great cost to himself , he was laughed at in the street his earning potential was slashed , it was no easy path or easy grift it was in fact quite brave , I wouldn’t have the balls to have done 🤷🏻♂️, sometimes people like that interest me very much , I’ve found some of his views challenging, some not so much , personally I kind of think the reason the media was on him to ridicule him so fast was the first book he wrote whilst in the Green Party , very well researched and very critical of governments and organised religion, now he’s banned from speaking ,,,, hmmmmm Edited February 21 by Archied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 10 minutes ago, Archied said: This grifters thing is something I find interesting and kind of think it’s become another cover all throw away like woke or far right , It's been with us for decades, But since social media it's found it's way into the English vocabulary more often. What Is a Grifter? What Does Grifting Mean? Grifters are often described as small-time lawbreakers who have a knack for swindling, tricking, and deceiving others, also known as "grifting." Instead of stealing or taking something by force, grifters try to take others' money or possessions the easy way—by convincing their victims to willingly hand it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ram-Alf said: It's been with us for decades, But since social media it's found it's way into the English vocabulary more often. What Is a Grifter? What Does Grifting Mean? Grifters are often described as small-time lawbreakers who have a knack for swindling, tricking, and deceiving others, also known as "grifting." Instead of stealing or taking something by force, grifters try to take others' money or possessions the easy way—by convincing their victims to willingly hand it over. Yep but it’s one of those terms that’s been adopted to slur people when often it far from fits , I think in todays world of internet people can make money easier so the tag might fit some but it’s another catch all generalisation which infers low level criminalisation of people for giving a view , are the guardian a bunch of grifters as they make money from their view of the news and the world or any other publication of any particular slant , I may be a bit weird but I’ve always taken an interest when the media goes all out to ridicule and slur any particular person or organisation, think it started with scargill for me ,having been a miner and coming from a mining background, usually find that if the media are doing this to someone they at least have some stuff worth hearing and pondering, but not EVERYTHING they say even on here there are some posters that I in the main find myself comming from a different angle on most subjects yet I’ve never put anybody on ignore and can honestly say there’s not one of those who I havnt at certain times thought your spot on there mate and posted as much🤷🏻♂️ Edited February 21 by Archied Ram-Alf and uttoxram75 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On topic. Andrei Morozov widely know by his milblogger handle Murz is dead. Murz was a pro-Russian milblogger who posted everything he heard from his contacts in the Russian military. He was actually one of the more realistic pro-Russian bloggers. A couple of days ago he declared that a minimum of 16,000 Russian troops were killed in the meatwaves attacking Avdiivka. Now he’s dead. Official line is suicide. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 41 minutes ago, Ramarena said: On topic. Andrei Morozov widely know by his milblogger handle Murz is dead. Murz was a pro-Russian milblogger who posted everything he heard from his contacts in the Russian military. He was actually one of the more realistic pro-Russian bloggers. A couple of days ago he declared that a minimum of 16,000 Russian troops were killed in the meatwaves attacking Avdiivka. Now he’s dead. Official line is suicide. Jumped from the 18th floor of a hotel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Ram-Alf said: Jumped from the 18th floor of a hotel? After shooting himself in the back 47 times. Seems to be a bit of a purge happening again. Ram-Alf and Crewton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 minutes ago, Ramarena said: After shooting himself in the back 47 times. Seems to be a bit of a purge happening again. I understand what a "meatwave" is, To me it looks as tho Putin really couldn't give 2 fcuks about life as long as he gets a sh!t load of rubble and some land, Russian losses must be huge in the 2 years he launched his "4 week" peace keeping escapade 🙄 Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Ram-Alf said: I understand what a "meatwave" is, To me it looks as tho Putin really couldn't give 2 fcuks about life as long as he gets a sh!t load of rubble and some land, Russian losses must be huge in the 2 years he launched his "4 week" peace keeping escapade 🙄 That's been the Russian way for hundreds of years regardless of who's in charge. Ramarena, Alph, David Graham Brown and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Ram-Alf said: I understand what a "meatwave" is, To me it looks as tho Putin really couldn't give 2 fcuks about life as long as he gets a sh!t load of rubble and some land, Russian losses must be huge in the 2 years he launched his "4 week" peace keeping escapade 🙄 Ukraine has Russia losing 400,000, as we discussed further back in the thread, there was always the assumption Ukraine overstated their numbers………..that was until Putin inadvertently confirmed Ukraines estimates were close in a speech around Christmas time. Putin’s “liberations” look more like a nuclear holocaust. Lives and towns decimated for imperialism. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Crewton said: That's been the Russian way for hundreds of years regardless of who's in charge. It's why there's no word in Russian for 'Pension'. Ram-Alf, Alph and David Graham Brown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MaltRam Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 22 hours ago, Archied said: This grifters thing is something I find interesting and kind of think it’s become another cover all throw away like woke or far right , divid icke is someone I’ve found very interesting from the days when I was very much into Green Party ( believe it or not given where I am today on what’s sold as green ) he was a pro footballer ,was leader of Green Party , had a very decent career in the media and was very well respected and pretty much set financially for the future ,,,,,, yet the path he chose was at great cost to himself , he was laughed at in the street his earning potential was slashed , it was no easy path or easy grift it was in fact quite brave , I wouldn’t have the balls to have done 🤷🏻♂️, sometimes people like that interest me very much , I’ve found some of his views challenging, some not so much , personally I kind of think the reason the media was on him to ridicule him so fast was the first book he wrote whilst in the Green Party , very well researched and very critical of governments and organised religion, now he’s banned from speaking ,,,, hmmmmm Icke isn't banned from speaking, he's just turned into the textbook definition of a tinfoil hat wearing fruit loop, so even the conspiracy theorists raise an eyebrow at him. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 56 minutes ago, MaltRam said: Icke isn't banned from speaking, he's just turned into the textbook definition of a tinfoil hat wearing fruit loop, so even the conspiracy theorists raise an eyebrow at him. Think you will find he is banned from speaking in quite a few countries, but hey never let facts get in the way of a good old insulting 😂😂😂 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63511142 bbc good enough for you , expect so , Edited February 22 by Archied ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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