Pass the ball Morrison!!!

[Malty]

I can see both sides here. Sometimes his decision making seems reallly poor. He’ll turnaround when he has options ahead and it’ll end back at the goalie from a Promising attacking position. Other times he’ll do a trick or move past someone like they’re not there and setup an attack or a shot.

I can’t help but feel we’re a much better side with him in it and I just wonder if max bird has benefited enormously from having ravel with him in the midfield. For me max has improved massively this year and is starting to fulfill his promise.

im not sure I believe all this about him not being fit to play the full 90 minutes. I just think Wayne seems insistent on subbing him off after 70 minutes. I recall Baiano had the same thing, (anyone remember him, one of the best players I’ve ever seen in a Derby shirt) he always subbed off after 70 minutes. I didn’t  get it then and I don’t get my it with ravel now to be honest.

…. And why oh why doesn’t he wear the number 4 shirt? RAV4. It’s a no brainier.

[VulcanRam]

He played the full game on Saturday against Preston didn't he? Looked knackered last night and was probably right to bring him off. I've been really impressed with him, he's made our ball retention and ability to get the ball accurately around the pitch so much better. 

[rammieib]

On 20/10/2021 at 14:20, Chris_Martin said:

 

that in itself is the problem though. We have no strikers/forward players making runs in behind. 

 

Agree although the times I am frustrated are the times we have runners.

[Jase116]

The one thing I think he gives us is more composure in the midfield area, he doesn’t always make the right decision, but we are definitely better when he is on the pitch.

  It always concerns me when he comes off, it would be interesting how many goals/points we have lost when he has been substituted, we conceded 2 against Peterborough and lost the game, conceded against Luton which cost us another 2 points, there the main ones I can think of off the top of my head, not saying we may have not conceded if he had still be on the pitch, but imho less likely to have done ( 5 points we could have done with) 

[Anag Ram]

19 minutes ago, Jase116 said:

The one thing I think he gives us is more composure in the midfield area, he doesn’t always make the right decision, but we are definitely better when he is on the pitch.

  It always concerns me when he comes off, it would be interesting how many goals/points we have lost when he has been substituted, we conceded 2 against Peterborough and lost the game, conceded against Luton which cost us another 2 points, there the main ones I can think of off the top of my head, not saying we may have not conceded if he had still be on the pitch, but imho less likely to have done ( 5 points we could have done with) 

Agree he uses the ball sensibly if not always in the most direct fashion. 

Sometimes the fan baying for the pass can't see the blocking opponent Ravel can see. 

He still isn't quite fit enough and he still sulks a bit but if he wasn't doing those two things he wouldn't be with us. He still retains a touch of class. 

[ram59]

I don't know why, but Morrison seems reluctant to pass the ball wide right. Several times yesterday either Festy or Byrne were in space and didn't receive the ball.

The stats show that Byrne is a key player regarding assists and should be used more. CKR showed the way, by holding the ball and then playing in Byrne, to cross to Shinnie for the goal. A special mention to Byrne, who absolutely bust a gut to sprint from the half way line, to get involved.

[Boycie]

12 minutes ago, ram59 said:

I don't know why, but Morrison seems reluctant to pass the ball wide right. Several times yesterday either Festy or Byrne were in space and didn't receive the ball.

The stats show that Byrne is a key player regarding assists and should be used more. CKR showed the way, by holding the ball and then playing in Byrne, to cross to Shinnie for the goal. A special mention to Byrne, who absolutely bust a gut to sprint from the half way line, to get involved.

I agree, They went down the left a lot and wasted it by running into traffic.

Was very noticeable at times, maybe it was a plan to involve Kamil, well, that went well.

[Ramifications]

If Byrne wasn't suspended for the next game, it might have been a difficult decision as to whether to include Ravel in the starting line up for the next match. 

Presumably, Festy will now start in Byrne's position and Ravel will be included. 

[minesahartington]

On 24/10/2021 at 09:21, ram59 said:

I don't know why, but Morrison seems reluctant to pass the ball wide right. Several times yesterday either Festy or Byrne were in space and didn't receive the ball.

The stats show that Byrne is a key player regarding assists and should be used more. CKR showed the way, by holding the ball and then playing in Byrne, to cross to Shinnie for the goal. A special mention to Byrne, who absolutely bust a gut to sprint from the half way line, to get involved.

I have noticed that too. Time after time he has a player wide right and a relatively simple ball but never does it. Always left or forward to a player tightly marked by the time he plays it. Let’s see on Saturday

[Ghost of Clough]

On 19/10/2021 at 22:58, rammieib said:

Getting really fed up of Morrison now and his inability to simply just pass the ball. It’s not even make the right pass, it’s simply make a pass!

Great skilful player but no end product. It took him Two minutes not to put Buchanan in followed by Buchanan just walking back up the pitch shaking his head.

Players eventually just won’t even bother making the runs if you don’t attempt the pass in.

Slightly controversial here but he’s the player I’d drop to bring CKR back into the team.

Technically, only Davies (55) and Jagielika (51.6) pass the ball more often per 90 than Ravel (50.4)
Only Stearman (88.2%) has a better pass completion rate than him (85.1%)

[Anag Ram]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Technically, only Davies (55) and Jagielika (51.6) pass the ball more often per 90 than Ravel (50.4)
Only Stearman (88.2%) has a better pass completion rate than him (85.1%)

Yep and on Saturday it was his header to Lawrence which helped set up the goal and his beautiful weighted cross which should have gifted Buchanan the winner. 

Sure he fouls up from time to time but he still sees the game well. 

[Jimbo Ram]

On 19/10/2021 at 22:58, rammieib said:

Getting really fed up of Morrison now and his inability to simply just pass the ball. It’s not even make the right pass, it’s simply make a pass!

Great skilful player but no end product. It took him Two minutes not to put Buchanan in followed by Buchanan just walking back up the pitch shaking his head.

Players eventually just won’t even bother making the runs if you don’t attempt the pass in.

Slightly controversial here but he’s the player I’d drop to bring CKR back into the team.

Agree ?

[Chris_Martin]

43 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Technically, only Davies (55) and Jagielika (51.6) pass the ball more often per 90 than Ravel (50.4)
Only Stearman (88.2%) has a better pass completion rate than him (85.1%)

don't think it's fair to compare him to the CB's as their passes are often simple ones to each other/the GK or just to the midfield. 

[Ghost of Clough]

Just now, Chris_Martin said:

don't think it's fair to compare him to the CB's as their passes are often simple ones to each other/the GK or just to the midfield. 

That just makes his stats look even better

[Jimbo Ram]

49 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Technically, only Davies (55) and Jagielika (51.6) pass the ball more often per 90 than Ravel (50.4)
Only Stearman (88.2%) has a better pass completion rate than him (85.1%)

But does he pass to the right player ?

[Ghost of Clough]

23 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

But does he pass to the right player ?

That's a different question.

OP stated "inability to simply just pass the ball", which is clearly incorrect.

[Jimbo Ram]

Just now, Ghost of Clough said:

That's a different question.

OP stated "inability to simply just pass the ball", which is clearly incorrect.

Numerous occasions Byrne has been on his own in acres of space down the right and Morrison ignores him…

[Ravabeerbelly]

30 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

don't think it's fair to compare him to the CB's as their passes are often simple ones to each other/the GK or just to the midfield. 

Which is what most of Ravels passes are Tbf ???

[rammieib]

1 hour ago, Chris_Martin said:

don't think it's fair to compare him to the CB's as their passes are often simple ones to each other/the GK or just to the midfield. 

To be fair, he's often playing centre back when we have the ball!

[rammieib]

2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Technically, only Davies (55) and Jagielika (51.6) pass the ball more often per 90 than Ravel (50.4)
Only Stearman (88.2%) has a better pass completion rate than him (85.1%)

If only we could have the following two stat lines:

"% Completion rate of making the wrong passing option"

or

"% Shooting when he should have passed it"

Sometimes you have to look beyond stats.