rad1919 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Any club can say that when they get relegated. I'm not sure why we deserve anything other than where we end up. What makes us so special? This has been coming for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Every single component of this club from top to bottom, on and off the pitch, adds up to less than the sum of its parts We absolutely deserve better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbuDerbyDave Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: I think we have what we deserve, but it seems that others think we deserve better. Why? Been spoilt by what’s happened before. When your used to something it becomes the norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: That's what it comes down to it seems. Deserve a better manager, more sensible owner and a stronger team but this shambles is what we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoooMarkWright Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, mozza said: Gone downhill ever since the Joiners episode.. I honestly think this incident has been a huge reason for our recent troubles. Yes, there are other factors - FFP, poor recruitment, poor managerial appointments etc. But that night wrecked last season and something hasn’t been right since. Keogh was big for the team and the changing room. He was a very good player at this level (pre injury, not now) was a leader and played forward a lot. He was key to how we played. Morale has been hit since. Yes, there are other factors, but that night was a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, IronRam 140.6 said: Our players aren't very good. Sorry guys but, that is the be all and end all. Neither are Millwall's, Luton's, Barnsley's etc. Sure they've got a few good players in there (so do we), but they also have a group of average players who are working together to achieve results and performances better than their level and a manager who's able to get the most out of his squad. Meanwhile we have a similar team (a few good players here and there but a lot of bang average Championship players) in which the only players performing to their full ability (or near to) are probably Clarke, Shinnie and Byrne, but they just so happen to play in positions that can't really go and win us games. And our manager and previous manager certainly haven't helped things with the tactical decisions made and inability to instil a belief in the players that they don't need to be afraid of every team they match up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, IronRam 140.6 said: Our players aren't very good. Sorry guys but, that is the be all and end all. Same players that were top of the form league? Obviously Beilik played his part but I the 6 games after his injury we still put together a run of 3 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats. Anyone who tells us it’s solely down to the players being poo is talking out their arris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 hours ago, IronRam 140.6 said: Our players aren't very good. Sorry guys but, that is the be all and end all. A very simplistic argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 The problem is not so much the manager, more the fact that we created opportunities to score and don’t take them at one end. At the other end we, our defenders (all of them) under no pressure from the opposition gift crucial goals away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, bcnram said: The problem is not so much the manager, more the fact that we created opportunities to score and don’t take them at one end. At the other end we, our defenders (all of them) under no pressure from the opposition gift crucial goals away. Spot on it’s our decision making in both boxes that’s costing us points we deserved something from our last 2 games and we look more lively going forward but we are finding a way to lose matches by gifting sloppy goals and being wasteful at the other end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, bcnram said: The problem is not so much the manager, more the fact that we created opportunities to score and don’t take them at one end. At the other end we, our defenders (all of them) under no pressure from the opposition gift crucial goals away. Agree. I see nothing wrong with this team that two key players wouldn't fix, a Martin and a Keogh. Not Martin and Keogh, but two players of that calibre when near their best. Everything else I saw last night was fine, even without Bielik. I think it's the pressure of the situation leading to both the missed chances and mistakes at the back but we haven't got the on the pitch warriors to lead by example and rally the team to the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 49 minutes ago, bcnram said: The problem is not so much the manager, more the fact that we created opportunities to score and don’t take them at one end. At the other end we, through our inept defending, under no pressure from the opposition gift crucial goals away. I think you've hit the nail on the head, but it's not always the fault of our defenders. When we're defending free kicks and corners, we pull all ten players back so there's no 'out ball' and we seem to take it in turns to defend poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, angieram said: Agree. I see nothing wrong with this team that two key players wouldn't fix, a Martin and a Keogh. Not Martin and Keogh, but two players of that calibre when near their best. Everything else I saw last night was fine, even without Bielik. I think it's the pressure of the situation leading to both the missed chances and mistakes at the back but we haven't got the on the pitch warriors to lead by example and rally the team to the cause. Angie yes this is totally it. And dont mention the M word at this point or you will have to moderate yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 hour ago, angieram said: Everything else I saw last night was fine, even without Bielik. Except for his goals, and ability in the air in defence and attack, and drive forward in possession. His passing ability, his awareness of play, his physicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Mash Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 We don't deserve anything. We're not a 'big club' and despite having a fairly large fanbase in terms of numbers, we're not exactly the most supportive bunch. The crowd are quick to turn and there's always a scapegoat. The atmosphere at Pride Park is cack for the most part unless we're three nil up with minutes remaining. With this group of players we'd probably be even worse with a crowd in attendance. Chants of 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' is hardly going to be a great help to a team lacking talent and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Except for his goals, and ability in the air in defence and attack, and drive forward in possession. His passing ability, his awareness of play, his physicality. I think you misunderstood me, with Bielik we would of course be better, but midfield wasn't the problem last night. Two long balls over the top, Wisdom mistake and an unmarked header from a corner (after a sly push.) I know you don't rate Bird but I thought he had a good game last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Bearwood Ram said: We don't deserve anything. We're not a 'big club' and despite having a fairly large fanbase in terms of numbers, we're not exactly the most supportive bunch. The crowd are quick to turn and there's always a scapegoat. The atmosphere at Pride Park is cack for the most part unless we're three nil up with minutes remaining. With this group of players we'd probably be even worse with a crowd in attendance. Chants of 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' is hardly going to be a great help to a team lacking talent and confidence. Find your comments slightly strange alluding to the "issue" of our toxic fan base at home - we haven't had a home crowd all season so you can't lay the teams poor performance at the supporters door. To answer the original point we should be realising a higher standard of play from the players Rooney has at his disposal, whether we deserve this or not is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 As many of our fans are like mardy toddlers, maybe relegation is what we, as fans, deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Mash Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Find your comments slightly strange alluding to the "issue" of our toxic fan base at home - we haven't had a home crowd all season so you can't lay the teams poor performance at the supporters door. To answer the original point we should be realising a higher standard of play from the players Rooney has at his disposal, whether we deserve this or not is another matter. I said even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bearwood Ram said: I said even worse. I can't even imagine how that's possible after Cocu had us rock bottom of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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