Jourdan Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said: We've got 67% of our total points off two teams who were in the Prem last season. Yes lets sack Cocu and appoint someone who no one else has though worthy of a job, maybe R2D2 is twiddling his thumbs? Four points away to two recently relegated sides is good. Just imagine how much better it would look if we could beat Luton, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Blackburn and Forest - all sides that are currently 12th or lower. Grinding out results only looks good if you do the business elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, Jourdan said: Four points away to two recently relegated sides is good. Just imagine how much better it would look if we could beat Luton, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Blackburn and Forest - all sides that are currently 12th or lower. Grinding out results only looks good if you do the business elsewhere. Every silver lining has a cloud, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, LazloW said: Every silver lining has a cloud, eh? Bear in mind we have taken 6 points from 27. No one is going to be creaming themselves at 4 hard earned points versus relegated sides when we have dropped routine points everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Millenniumram said: Come off it, look at the positions of our players in the second half. When Bournemouth had possession we had everyone in our own final third. No attempt to press like we were before we scored. You’ve got no chance sitting that deep for 70 minutes. You don’t think Bournemouth were comming right back into it before the break going direct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Archied said: You don’t think Bournemouth were comming right back into it before the break going direct? They were, but that was largely down to us allowing it to happen. We didn’t try and regain any control of the game. Plenty of times we could have brought the ball down and played a bit, but we kept taking the “safe” option of smashing it clear, straight back to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Frustrating...in a word. First 30 mins, we were excellent. Fantastic pressing, incisive passing, a few chances & the goal...Bournemouth literally didnt have a sniff. The next bit is harder to judge. No doubt we started to sit deeper but I think a key reason for that was the appalling ball retention. This started 10 mins before the break & continued throughout the second half. Basic passes miscued, heavy touches, an inability to shield/hold the ball...it was shocking & meant they were constantly retaking possession & then breaking onto us. It was absolutely no surprise when we finally conceded. There's also some criticism on here of Cocu's subs which I totally agree with. Waghorn was blowing from about 70 mins & Lawrence was becoming increasingly casual in the last half hour. No idea why Kazim wasnt brought on to hold the ball, why Sibley wasnt brought on earlier to offer a fresh threat or why Wisdom came on. As a general point. I think its time to move beyond the 5 at the back. Shinnie & Knight were great again but its too defensive with that shape & current personnel. Going into a run of games we need to win & should be aiming to win, we need more bodies/quality in midfield. Really disappointed Bird wasnt even deemed good enough for the bench today, we could really do with his control in the centre of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertRam Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 As was mentioned earlier - that would normally be a great result, I still believe that we will start winning them all soon, and expect us to hammer one of the next 2 at home let's see, everyone will have the answer then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Aralliss Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Srg said: So disappointed Rooney waltzed back into the team despite not having a single good game since around February... then to take that free kick off Waghorn too?! I agree, but we don’t know if Cocu’s hands are tied with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: They were, but that was largely down to us allowing it to happen. We didn’t try and regain any control of the game. Plenty of times we could have brought the ball down and played a bit, but we kept taking the “safe” option of smashing it clear, straight back to them. I was talking more in terms of why our player may have stopped pressing high up as much and dropped back a bit ? Do you not think that we forced them into changing the way they wanted to play by our good play and they changed it up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Archied said: I was talking more in terms of why our player may have stopped pressing high up as much and dropped back a bit ? Do you not think that we forced them into changing the way they wanted to play by our good play and they changed it up ? Initially yes, but I thought they stopped going direct once we stopped the press. At which point we should have started pressing again. And so on, there’s got to be that balance imo. Got to be intelligent enough to know when to press and when not to - we don’t seem to be capable of making that judgement. I agree that we forced them into a change of style by our good play in the first 20 minutes, which makes it even more frustrating we didn’t keep the standards up! To go from the best we’ve played all season to arguably some of the worst, just like that, is concerning imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Grumpy Git said: We've got 67% of our total points off two teams who were in the Prem last season. Yes lets sack Cocu and appoint someone who no one else has though worthy of a job, maybe R2D2 is twiddling his thumbs? Ask roboto for his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justa Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Grumpy Git said: We've got 67% of our total points off two teams who were in the Prem last season. Yes lets sack Cocu and appoint someone who no one else has though worthy of a job, maybe R2D2 is twiddling his thumbs? And that includes the 3 points that we got at Norwich ? Where we were incredibly lucky and won thanks to a world class free kick from Rooney ? I’d prefer to look at the statistic of 6 points from a possible 27 !! Nevermind the shambles at the end of last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 a word for Jason knight and Graeme Shinnie i gave Shinnie MoM because he scored but knight was the best central midfielder on the pitch in terms of his all round game. They were better than Brentford’s pair who cost over £20m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Excellent point today when we start scoring we will be much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Excellent point today when we start scoring we will be much better Say the same for any team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Bournemouth 1-1 Derby County: Riquelme maintains Cherries' unbeaten start on Rooney's return - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54671013 I'm sick of this club being a side show to Rooney. Four times his name is mentioned here, and he did sod all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeTownRams Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Think we need to seriously start looking at the fitness levels overall of the team. A couple of exceptions like Knight but generally speaking our numbers aren’t great. Correlation with us dropping off late in games and conceding goals in the last third of a game ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincsRam Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Overall we deserved the point. I have seen written here that Bournemouth are not a good team, I am not having that, they have the nucleus of their Premier League squad, we made them look very ordinary for the first 25 minutes and at other times in the match. With us defending deep in the 2nd half they put us under immense pressure and Marshall saved us a few times BUT that's what good teams do when they are behind, they attack and will get chances. We certainly had our chances too, that goal line clearance must have been so close to being in and we had at least 4 chances in the box where the wrong pass was chosen and could have meant a goal on another day. I am still hanging in there with Cocu but its getting very predictable this capitulation every game. For me in the 2nd half the midfield bar Shinnie went missing at times with the linkage gone from the forwards as they tired, at 60 mins for me the game was crying out for Richards & Sibley to replace Lawrence & Waggy. Holmes was not the right guy to come on, he has not been good since he got injured last season, remember we were all purring about his performances in the first half of last season and I believe he will come good again but now is not the time to throw him on to change a game. In the end Shinnie was my MOM, Marshall a close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, caymanram said: Think we need to seriously start looking at the fitness levels..... Correlation with us dropping off late in games and conceding goals in the last third of a game ?? Or being unable to maintain a press for longer than 25mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 hours ago, LincsRam said: I have seen written here that Bournemouth are not a good team, I am not having that, they have the nucleus of their Premier League squad..... Similar to Watford, I was surprised at how mediocre they were. They have cost a few £££££ Mepham £10m, Billing £14m, danjuma £16m, Solanke £20m, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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