Van der MoodHoover Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, The Orange Pimpernel said: Agree with all the above wholeheartedly...…..Just cant figure what's taking the time. If the EFL have had sight of something that exonerated dcfc there will inevitably be an "ohhh poo!" moment followed by some scurrying around whilst they work out what to say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Orange Pimpernel said: Agree with all the above wholeheartedly...…..Just cant figure what's taking the time. Reckon EFL are dragging it out, so it then gives them the chance to state to the DCFC haters “ we did all we could to take them to task” the time wasted in bringing this to an end would then make it appear to support their smoke and mirrors strategy. It also makes our summer transfers very difficult to conduct (due to the uncertainty to those on the outside looking in) and allows them to save face all at the same time. Minor victory for the EFL, Gibson, Barnsley etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Isn't the panel made up of one of their choice, one of our choice and an independent (all sworn to be independent)? If that's the case I guess the club know exactly how things are going from our chap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, U.M. said: The best explanation I can see is to remove any precedent on the matter. We get found guilty, not punished due to mitigating circumstances, EFL have established what the rules are. Prevents anyone copying us claiming it must be ok. Let’s hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Agree with all the above wholeheartedly...…..Just cant figure what's taking the time. Wild speculation, but one major difference between us and Sheffield Wednesday is the player amortisation thing. If they're demanding we adjust the method we're using, there's potentially all sorts of issues to deal with. Are they going to go over all the previous accounts, recalculate the player values and see if we failed any of those periods? How are they going to handle it going forward? Are we sticking with our current player values, but just applying a different method from now on? etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Isn't the panel made up of one of their choice, one of our choice and an independent (all sworn to be independent)? If that's the case I guess the club know exactly how things are going from our chap? Ooh.....is that why we're being linked with unheard of Ghanaian non-league players?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: Wild speculation, but one major difference between us and Sheffield Wednesday is the player amortisation thing. If they're demanding we adjust the method we're using, there's potentially all sorts of issues to deal with. Are they going to go over all the previous accounts, recalculate the player values and see if we failed any of those periods? How are they going to handle it going forward? Are we sticking with our current player values, but just applying a different method from now on? etc etc. I doubt they could recalculate the amounts from accounts they've already signed off, that really would be taking the piss and reneging on a pre-held agreement, very unethical. ...but yes I suppose as they could demand we alter the current accounts as they haven't been filed and signed off on yet? Then again, with adjustments for the 2018/19 accounts only, we would probably still be under limits? I imagine there's a lot of back and forth between accountants holding things up, with lots of different calculations being sent for approval & the EFL making unreasonable demands and refusing to sanction them, this then gets passed to the panel to consider, and back to Derby, then back to the EFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Agree with all the above wholeheartedly...…..Just cant figure what's taking the time. Here’s a couple of options - they are waiting to see if Sheffield Wednesday appeal within their allotted time to do so or someone has to type it all up and has gone on holiday or run out of ink and are awaiting a delivery ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Here’s a couple of options - they are waiting to see if Sheffield Wednesday appeal within their allotted time to do so or someone has to type it all up and has gone on holiday or run out of ink and are awaiting a delivery ? Interestingly, if Ive got the correct document Section 9: 103.1 of the Arbitration agreement seems to say there is no appeal? 103 Challenging the Award 103.1 Subject to the provisions of Sections 67 and 68 of the Arbitration Act, the award shall be final and binding and there shall be no right of appeal or further arbitration and the parties exclude irrevocably any right to any other form of appeal, review or recourse in or by a court, judicial authority or other arbitral body, in so far as such waiver may validly be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said: I am not expecting anything like a -12 point deduction and the EFL accepted in writing (apparently ) the valuation of (not DCFC) a multi national valuer of great repute with a minor adjustment. If they had not no doubt Mel would have done other things to keep us within FFP as per the club statement. Very interested to know what MM things he could have done instead of selling the stadium, especially in light of the fact that it only appears to have happened just a few days prior to the year end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Very interested to know what MM things he could have done instead of selling the stadium, especially in light of the fact that it only appears to have happened just a few days prior to the year end? Probably had a fire sale of the squad and a lot of talk about the academy instead of hiring fwankie lampaard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, duncanjwitham said: Wild speculation, but one major difference between us and Sheffield Wednesday is the player amortisation thing. If they're demanding we adjust the method we're using, there's potentially all sorts of issues to deal with. Are they going to go over all the previous accounts, recalculate the player values and see if we failed any of those periods? How are they going to handle it going forward? Are we sticking with our current player values, but just applying a different method from now on? etc etc. But that’s charging us retrospectively Cos they now say we can’t do that when at they time they said it was fine for 3 sets of accounts they can tell us where we’re at now after recalculations Moving forward, that’s fine but surely they Can’t punish us for something they agreed to in continuous accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Isn't the panel made up of one of their choice, one of our choice and an independent (all sworn to be independent)? If that's the case I guess the club know exactly how things are going from our chap? Someone must appoint (and pay) the 'independant' panellist, presumably the EFL after maybe getting some costs from Derby County? So........how independant will the independant guy be on this independant panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Someone must appoint (and pay) the 'independant' panellist, presumably the EFL after maybe getting some costs from Derby County? So........how independant will the independant guy be on this independant panel? He's never listened to a song released on a major label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 How is it an independent Pannel if as has been alluded to that one is from us, one is from the EFL and one is totally independent thats not an independent Pannel that’s two people on opposing sides and one totally neutral guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: How is it an independent Pannel if as has been alluded to that one is from us, one is from the EFL and one is totally independent thats not an independent Pannel that’s two people on opposing sides and one totally neutral guy Perhaps it means independent of the EFL. Otherwise they'd be interpreting their own rules and actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lagavulinram Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 hours ago, DcfcJG said: Derby’s twitter and website is unusually quiet. Makes me think something is happening with the charge, maybe today. Hope its finishing its annoying waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: How is it an independent Pannel if as has been alluded to that one is from us, one is from the EFL and one is totally independent thats not an independent Pannel that’s two people on opposing sides and one totally neutral guy Usually barristers or solicitors with over 10years experience. Their professional reputation is supposed to mean they will act without bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: act without bias. hes here all week ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 If the verdict comes in and we're not charged with anything, could we sue the EFL for disrupting our season planning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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