Angry Ram Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1202062/european-army-eu-von-der-leyen-brexit-china-angela-merkel You'll have write to the Daily Express and tell them not to be scared then. They seem to be browning out their Y-Fronts. I give the EU another 10 years at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Norman said: Hahaha Like that would make a difference. They'd just keep voting on it until it went through. It's what they do. Of course it would make a difference. If people want to keep voting on it, those opposing can keep vetoing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: So a speech now equates it 'being a thing'? If any of the 'lefties' on here posted that something was a thing based on a speech and some tweets we would be accused of being hysterical. Until it's a full proposal/bill being put in front of the EU parliament with a realistic chance of getting through I suspect there is bugger all to worry about unless there is some key development that I am unaware of? Well yes.. As she has said it in a speech, it is a thing. She has given the 'red light' for 'command and capacity' in Brussels. 'Civil & Military commanded together'. 'Essential step forward, unthinkable a while ago'. 'PESCO was in The Lisbon Treaty but never used'. A European solution to crisis. EU defence fund? Nothing to see here? What a FUBAR that will turn out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: So a speech now equates it 'being a thing'? If any of the 'lefties' on here posted that something was a thing based on a speech and some tweets we would be accused of being hysterical. Until it's a full proposal/bill being put in front of the EU parliament with a realistic chance of getting through I suspect there is bugger all to worry about unless there is some key development that I am unaware of? No key developments? Have you listened to the speech? Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Norman said: Hahaha Like that would make a difference. They'd just keep voting on it until it went through. It's what they do. All sounds a bit Tory to me matey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: All sounds a bit Tory to me matey. Then why do you support the EU, pal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: She has given the 'red light' for 'command and capacity' in Brussels. Why can't these wine sodden, garlic-munching, EU surrender monkeys just stick to the commonly held convention of a GREEN LIGHT. Surely only the Italians would use a red one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Norman said: Then why do you support the EU, pal? It was a joke you humourless git. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1202062/european-army-eu-von-der-leyen-brexit-china-angela-merkel You'll have write to the Daily Express and tell them not to be scared then. They seem to be browning out their Y-Fronts. Barely literate article. Quotes Ursula wotsit as claiming "the bloc are ready to asset (sic) themselves " What's that mean? Hiding behind the cheese mountain?? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Angry Ram said: Not sure how to add tweets but it was a speech from Ursula von der Leyan. Look for @bencorke on Twitter. Not exactly and "EU Army" is it. This is rabid brexiteer paranoia at it's finest What's the problem with the EU strengthening and coordinating it's member state defence forces anyway? Seems eminently sensible to me. Worked pretty well in WW2 when the Allies coordinated their forces didn't it? Only 3 years ago we were being told by Michael Fallon that this was a good thing, in the face of Russia asserting it's dominance on the eastern European border https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/eu-set-to-sign-off-military-command-centre-in-brussels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Not exactly and "EU Army" is it. This is rabid brexiteer paranoia at it's finest What's the problem with the EU strengthening and coordinating it's member state defence forces anyway? Seems eminently sensible to me. Worked pretty well in WW2 when the Allies coordinated their forces didn't it? Only 3 years ago we were being told by Michael Fallon that this was a good thing, in the face of Russia asserting it's dominance on the eastern European border https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/eu-set-to-sign-off-military-command-centre-in-brussels Isn't that the purpose of NATO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Not exactly and "EU Army" is it. This is rabid brexiteer paranoia at it's finest What's the problem with the EU strengthening and coordinating it's member state defence forces anyway? Seems eminently sensible to me. Worked pretty well in WW2 when the Allies coordinated their forces didn't it? Only 3 years ago we were being told by Michael Fallon that this was a good thing, in the face of Russia asserting it's dominance on the eastern European border https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/eu-set-to-sign-off-military-command-centre-in-brussels Rabid paranoia? Really? Do France and Germany really need the EU to control it's defense forces. What is the EU going to do? Tell Lithuania to throw stones at Russia? You know it's a stepping stone. Who is going to coordinate this anyway. I hope it's a democratically elected Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Norman said: Rabid paranoia? Really? Questions if it's rabid paranoia - and then follows it up with paranoid ramblings. You'd think that now we've left the EU and are effectively a sitting duck isolationist island with a weakened and inneffective military, we might quite want the EU states on the mainland to be as coordinated and effective as possible. "What's that France? No! I thought Belgium was patrolling for Russian subs today" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Norman said: Rabid paranoia? Really? Do France and Germany really need the EU to control it's defense forces. What is the EU going to do? Tell Lithuania to throw stones at Russia? You know it's a stepping stone. Who is going to coordinate this anyway. I hope it's a democratically elected Council. What does it matter to you anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Not exactly and "EU Army" is it. This is rabid brexiteer paranoia at it's finest What's the problem with the EU strengthening and coordinating it's member state defence forces anyway? Seems eminently sensible to me. Worked pretty well in WW2 when the Allies coordinated their forces didn't it? Only 3 years ago we were being told by Michael Fallon that this was a good thing, in the face of Russia asserting it's dominance on the eastern European border https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/eu-set-to-sign-off-military-command-centre-in-brussels Really? I have no words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: What does it matter to you anyway? Because I don't mind the EU having a trade war. I do mind the EU controlling an army via an unelected council that can make decisions like going to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Questions if it's rabid paranoia - and then follows it up with paranoid ramblings. You'd think that now we've left the EU and are effectively a sitting duck isolationist island with a weakened and inneffective military, we might quite want the EU states on the mainland to be as coordinated and effective as possible. "What's that France? No! I thought Belgium was patrolling for Russian subs today" ? We have NATO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, Norman said: Because I don't mind the EU having a trade war. I do mind the EU controlling an army via an unelected council that can make decisions like going to war. I imagine they'd tell you to bog off and mind your own business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: So a speech now equates it 'being a thing'? If any of the 'lefties' on here posted that something was a thing based on a speech and some tweets we would be accused of being hysterical. Until it's a full proposal/bill being put in front of the EU parliament with a realistic chance of getting through I suspect there is bugger all to worry about unless there is some key development that I am unaware of? The Eurocorps has been a thing since 1995, but nobody seems to have noticed. They still haven't got round to invading anywhere. It's only when the Daily Mail publishes something designed to keep the gammons excited and to wind them up into a nationalist fervour that people start talking about it as an issue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps?wprov=sfla1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 No country will be forced into a EU Army against their wishes. If an EU Army does become a reality, it will be like the EURO, countries could simply opt out if they wished. What's the problem with that? There has been some ridiculous over-reactions to ta potential EU Army on these pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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