RoyMac5 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gisby said: All a matter of opinion I know but too many bar room managers who, just like me, have no clue what’s really going on at the moment for my liking!!!! I can read a league table, shall I show you how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisby Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, RoyMac5 said: I can read a league table, shall I show you how? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisby Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I can read a league table, shall I show you how? Ha ha, happy new year @RoyMac5 let’s have a chat in May if I’m wrong I’ll gladly admit it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 2 hours ago, CornwallRam said: Cocu is not a neutral actor in any of the things you mentioned. He was in a position to react. Unbelievable reply. How can you possibly claim he was responsible in any way for the events of Keoghgate or the inability to replace the loan players? Its unfair & frankly indefensible. P.s. your earlier assertion that you dont want Cocu out but see no way he can succeed makes no sense. You would only want someone to stay if you saw a better future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emson Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 5 hours ago, MuespachRam said: We have been rubbish so far this season but to think we might be in a relegation battle is ridiculous. We won’t finish anywhere near the bottom of this pathetic league. Just going on facts : We are bottom of the league based on recent performance over the last 7 games - the best guide to expected future performance Only two teams have won less games than us Only one team has scored less goals than Derby As a result we are four places off the relegation places We are currently playing lower league teams and those around us. And it is getting no better. Soon we will be playing better performing teams. If this is not relegation form, I really don't know what is. I really wish this wasn't the case and of course I hope this doesn't end in our relegation at the end of the season. But to hide your head in the sand and pretend it all isn't happening is not going to turn this around and is unhelpful. Offering bets to back up your arguments is just childish And to base on your hopes on Rooney coming in is also unrealistic - he has been in and around the squad for some time now and no positive impact has been seen so far If ever an attitude summed up the phrase 'sleepwalking to relegation' , yours is it unfortunately. Please give me some facts and analysis to suggest I am wrong - I would be delighted to admit it and take your side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 14 hours ago, MuespachRam said: and by the way.....Arsenal are 6 points off the relegation zone, do you think they will go down too....? Not now that they’ve sacked the manager that had left them that near to the relegation zone, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 13 hours ago, CornwallRam said: Cocu is not a neutral actor in any of the things you mentioned. He was in a position to react. No need to be such a drama queen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Emson said: Just going on facts : We are bottom of the league based on recent performance over the last 7 games - the best guide to expected future performance Only two teams have won less games than us Only one team has scored less goals than Derby As a result we are four places off the relegation places We are currently playing lower league teams and those around us. And it is getting no better. Soon we will be playing better performing teams. If this is not relegation form, I really don't know what is. I really wish this wasn't the case and of course I hope this doesn't end in our relegation at the end of the season. But to hide your head in the sand and pretend it all isn't happening is not going to turn this around and is unhelpful. Offering bets to back up your arguments is just childish And to base on your hopes on Rooney coming in is also unrealistic - he has been in and around the squad for some time now and no positive impact has been seen so far If ever an attitude summed up the phrase 'sleepwalking to relegation' , yours is it unfortunately. Please give me some facts and analysis to suggest I am wrong - I would be delighted to admit it and take your side You do know Wazza hasn't played yet do you ? What kind of positive impact were you expecting without him being on the field ? Him alone will keep us clear of relegation, players coming back from injury and a couple of additions and we will start climbing the table. If you want facts, here one the league is over 46 games not 7. No one is burying their head in the sand, the bet was offered because the poster was confident that it would not happen. Go on, take the bet, easy money for you to take the missus for a nice meal if you are that sure it's going to happen, I'd also quite happily put money on they don't go down, no matter what 'facts' you put in front of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramboy63 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Emson said: Just going on facts : We are bottom of the league based on recent performance over the last 7 games - the best guide to expected future performance Only two teams have won less games than us Only one team has scored less goals than Derby As a result we are four places off the relegation places We are currently playing lower league teams and those around us. And it is getting no better. Soon we will be playing better performing teams. If this is not relegation form, I really don't know what is. I really wish this wasn't the case and of course I hope this doesn't end in our relegation at the end of the season. But to hide your head in the sand and pretend it all isn't happening is not going to turn this around and is unhelpful. Offering bets to back up your arguments is just childish And to base on your hopes on Rooney coming in is also unrealistic - he has been in and around the squad for some time now and no positive impact has been seen so far If ever an attitude summed up the phrase 'sleepwalking to relegation' , yours is it unfortunately. Please give me some facts and analysis to suggest I am wrong - I would be delighted to admit it and take your side Someone talking sense for a change and not deluded thinking we are good enough or to big not to get relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 21 hours ago, Emson said: Just going on facts : We are bottom of the league based on recent performance over the last 7 games - the best guide to expected future performance Only two teams have won less games than us Only one team has scored less goals than Derby As a result we are four places off the relegation places We are currently playing lower league teams and those around us. And it is getting no better. Soon we will be playing better performing teams. If this is not relegation form, I really don't know what is. I really wish this wasn't the case and of course I hope this doesn't end in our relegation at the end of the season. But to hide your head in the sand and pretend it all isn't happening is not going to turn this around and is unhelpful. Offering bets to back up your arguments is just childish And to base on your hopes on Rooney coming in is also unrealistic - he has been in and around the squad for some time now and no positive impact has been seen so far If ever an attitude summed up the phrase 'sleepwalking to relegation' , yours is it unfortunately. Please give me some facts and analysis to suggest I am wrong - I would be delighted to admit it and take your side Just one fact needed... the greatest EVER goal scorer in England’s history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Just one fact needed... the greatest EVER goal scorer in England’s history. Bobby Charlton is the second highest, but I wouldn't want him in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 21 hours ago, Emson said: And to base on your hopes on Rooney coming in is also unrealistic Can't argue with much of what you put but I do think Rooney will be a massive influence on the team - he'll drag Lawrence round by his testes if he has to. I'm not sure it's massively unrealistic to pin our hopes on Rooney - bloody dangerous though. If he gets injured then we've had it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Pastinaak said: Can't argue with much of what you put but I do think Rooney will be a massive influence on the team - he'll drag Lawrence round by his testes if he has to. I'm not sure it's massively unrealistic to pin our hopes on Rooney - bloody dangerous though. If he gets injured then we've had it! I wouldn’t worry about that. He is 34, hasn’t played in quite a while and we hardly ever have players out injured. Except for the ones who get injured taking penalties, in light training sessions and in car crashes but apart from that it’s only the ones who get injured whilst running around in a match. So probably nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Bobby Charlton is the second highest, but I wouldn't want him in the team. You would if he was still only 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 On 26/12/2019 at 17:07, Archied said: how many times have I heard that cocu chooses technical players? We don’t have any, as I say we either buy or we fill the team full of battlers and hit long balls over the top for Marriott to chase On the last half dozen games, yes you’re right. Oddly though I believe our players have enough in the tank to be comfortably mid table, knocking on play off door but there is a huge confidence and self belief / risk / courage taking initiative that’s missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickywotsits Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm confident Rooney will have a big positive influence on the team...it's the other 10 buggers i'm worried about ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emson Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, MuespachRam said: Just one fact needed... the greatest EVER goal scorer in England’s history. Again, just like @AdamRam, a complete lack of realism and failure to understand the nature of our current circumstances. We all want and hope that Rooney is successful at Derby, but surely we must be realistic. He has never, ever played in the championship, let alone at the lower reaches of it He is 34 years old He has never, ever played with players of the quality of players that we have at Derby County He will be targeted by every single championship opposition player looking to take a scalp for their scrapbook He has no track record of being a successful leader, let alone when in adversity - the last time he experienced being a leader when up against it was when captaining England against Iceland at Euro 2016, one of the most abject performances by the national team in living memory I am absolutely delighted that Rooney is coming to Derby and am very excited to see him in a Rams shirt. And I really hope he has a similar impact on the Rams as Dave Mackay, John Gregory and Igor Stimac did But the way one or two people are pinning all their hopes and aspirations on him single handedly changing our fortunes is both incredibly unfair and hugely optimistic - putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on him before he has even kicked a ball. @AdamRam - you do know that his title is player/coach, don't you........ ?! So again, the point of my post is this : lets not be complacent . We are in a relegation battle and it will take a lot, including Wayne Rooney, to get out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Emson said: Again, just like @AdamRam, a complete lack of realism and failure to understand the nature of our current circumstances. We all want and hope that Rooney is successful at Derby, but surely we must be realistic. He has never, ever played in the championship, let alone at the lower reaches of it He is 34 years old He has never, ever played with players of the quality of players that we have at Derby County He will be targeted by every single championship opposition player looking to take a scalp for their scrapbook He has no track record of being a successful leader, let alone when in adversity - the last time he experienced being a leader when up against it was when captaining England against Iceland at Euro 2016, one of the most abject performances by the national team in living memory I am absolutely delighted that Rooney is coming to Derby and am very excited to see him in a Rams shirt. And I really hope he has a similar impact on the Rams as Dave Mackay, John Gregory and Igor Stimac did But the way one or two people are pinning all their hopes and aspirations on him single handedly changing our fortunes is both incredibly unfair and hugely optimistic - putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on him before he has even kicked a ball. @AdamRam - you do know that his title is player/coach, don't you........ ?! So again, the point of my post is this : lets not be complacent . We are in a relegation battle and it will take a lot, including Wayne Rooney, to get out of it So, let's get this straight. You say "one or two people" are putting ridiculous pressure on Rooney - that's the same Rooney who's played in 3 World Cups and 3 European Championships, won 5 PL titles, 4 cups and the Champions League? What on earth has happened to him to become so intimidated by a couple of fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Emson said: Again, just like @AdamRam, a complete lack of realism and failure to understand the nature of our current circumstances. We all want and hope that Rooney is successful at Derby, but surely we must be realistic. He has never, ever played in the championship, let alone at the lower reaches of it He is 34 years old He has never, ever played with players of the quality of players that we have at Derby County He will be targeted by every single championship opposition player looking to take a scalp for their scrapbook He has no track record of being a successful leader, let alone when in adversity - the last time he experienced being a leader when up against it was when captaining England against Iceland at Euro 2016, one of the most abject performances by the national team in living memory I am absolutely delighted that Rooney is coming to Derby and am very excited to see him in a Rams shirt. And I really hope he has a similar impact on the Rams as Dave Mackay, John Gregory and Igor Stimac did But the way one or two people are pinning all their hopes and aspirations on him single handedly changing our fortunes is both incredibly unfair and hugely optimistic - putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on him before he has even kicked a ball. @AdamRam - you do know that his title is player/coach, don't you........ ?! So again, the point of my post is this : lets not be complacent . We are in a relegation battle and it will take a lot, including Wayne Rooney, to get out of it He had never, ever played in the champions league until the night he made his debut...and scored a hat trick. He is only 34 years old he had never played with players of the quality that DC United had. he will be dragging all the knuckle dragging center halves in this rubbish league all over the place, we will be playing against 10 men so many times. You really slagging off him being a captain....? Didn’t he captain United to the FACup in his second season.? And I’m sure that’s not the only thing he won is It...? im not totally pinning all my hopes on him to be honest, I know we are nowhere near poor enough to go down even without him, so add him and we will be flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emson Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: So, let's get this straight. You say "one or two people" are putting ridiculous pressure on Rooney - that's the same Rooney who's played in 3 World Cups and 3 European Championships, won 5 PL titles, 4 cups and the Champions League? What on earth has happened to him to become so intimidated by a couple of fans? Blimey What a very strange thing to post You haven't contributed anything to the subject under debate Start again and try to do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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