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Uptherams

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4 minutes ago, Archied said:

how many times have I heard that cocu chooses technical players?   We don’t have any, as I say we either buy or we fill the team full of battlers and hit long balls over the top for Marriott to chase 

I can't look at any of our players and say this player is playing to their capabilities, utilising their strengths. It's just a complete mess. Totally bland, soulless, no motivation or drive. 

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Millenniumram

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The squad isn’t fantastic, but it shouldnt be relegation fodder. Inconsistent midtable is what I’d eclecticism, flashes of genius, flashes of madness. All were getting at the moment is the latter, and worryingly were being pulled towards the relegation zone. I think MM will act if we get too close however, and any competent manager should pull us out this mess. So I wouldn’t worry just yet.

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AndyinLiverpool

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7 hours ago, Uptherams said:

I can't look at any of our players and say this player is playing to their capabilities, utilising their strengths. It's just a complete mess. Totally bland, soulless, no motivation or drive. 

I don’t think he wants any of these players at least not the senior players he inherited. And why would anyone want Lawrence or Davies or Forsyth or Holmes or martin? Failures. 

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13 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

I don’t think he wants any of these players at least not the senior players he inherited. And why would anyone want Lawrence or Davies or Forsyth or Holmes or martin? Failures. 

It is irrelevant what players Coco "wants", and what a ridiculous selection from  the current squad as to who are failures. We have seen how much better all of those can be.

Successful managers get more more out of the players they inherit than their predecessor. It took Mac a handful of games, both times. It is impossible to identify any area where Coco has improved things, save the  introduction of Knight as a genuine first team squad member.

9 points from ten games in Nov/Dec is absolutely relegation form, not to mention 2 from 5 games in December. Yet after the Forest and Preston there was some agreement progress was was being made, Lawrence in his most effective position, and Martin linking the play. This vanished when Coco changed both the formation and personnel and went cautious. Injuries are but a small part in the decline since Preston.

The manager is clueless and the football is truly dire. Get your head out of the sands, relegation beckons.

 

 

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5 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said:

It is irrelevant what players Coco "wants", and what a ridiculous selection from  the current squad as to who are failures. We have seen how much better all of those can be.

Successful managers get more more out of the players they inherit than their predecessor. It took Mac a handful of games, both times. It is impossible to identify any area where Coco has improved things, save the  introduction of Knight as a genuine first team squad member.

9 points from ten games in Nov/Dec is absolutely relegation form, not to mention 2 from 5 games in December. Yet after the Forest and Preston there was some agreement progress was was being made, Lawrence in his most effective position, and Martin linking the play. This vanished when Coco changed both the formation and personnel and went cautious. Injuries are but a small part in the decline since Preston.

The manager is clueless and the football is truly dire. Get your head out of the sands, relegation beckons.

 

 

Spot on IMO. We need to 'have a go' more in games. It's difficult to blame any forward who isn't scoring when they're left so isolated for most of the game. 

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NottsRam77

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15 hours ago, Archied said:

how many times have I heard that cocu chooses technical players?   We don’t have any, as I say we either buy or we fill the team full of battlers and hit long balls over the top for Marriott to chase 

He’s already tried to bring two in shape the of pattison and dowell 

both would be described as “technical” players ... just not very good ones 

where the blame lays for those two abject signings is where people disagree 

the manager ? or recruitment team ?

in my mind it’s the manger that says yes or no having been given the recommendations, information, footage, stats and whatever else they use these days 

buck stops there in my book but That’s just my opinion 

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6 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said:

It is irrelevant what players Coco "wants", and what a ridiculous selection from  the current squad as to who are failures. We have seen how much better all of those can be.

Successful managers get more more out of the players they inherit than their predecessor. It took Mac a handful of games, both times. It is impossible to identify any area where Coco has improved things, save the  introduction of Knight as a genuine first team squad member.

9 points from ten games in Nov/Dec is absolutely relegation form, not to mention 2 from 5 games in December. Yet after the Forest and Preston there was some agreement progress was was being made, Lawrence in his most effective position, and Martin linking the play. This vanished when Coco changed both the formation and personnel and went cautious. Injuries are but a small part in the decline since Preston.

The manager is clueless and the football is truly dire. Get your head out of the sands, relegation beckons.

 

 

Of course it's not irrelevant. It seems to me that the manager has his preferences as to how he wants to play and is conflicted between playing his way and finding a way to use the players he has. 

Of the examples I chose, Davies and Forsyth are only playing because Clark is injured and Keogh is gone; Martin's 'glory days' are so far behind him that previous managers have sent him out on loan; Lawrence offers no consistency, which is a source of frustration for everyone and I'm sure Cocu is no exception; and I'm pretty sure Holmes is only filling in in midfield. There are others I could have included - Malone, Roos, for example - but those were the ones that played yesterday.

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Roos, Bogle, Malone, Davies, Forsyth, Wisdom, Dowell, Waghorn, Lawrence, Jozefzoon, Marriott, Martin, Bennett, Holmes, Anya and Huddlestone have all played regularly in sides which finished in the top 6 in the Championship. Have they all become poor players?

Having seen no news to the contrary, the current recruitment set up (including the manager) brought in Hamer, Bielik, Clarke, Paterson and Dowell. They also sent Carson out on loan. Are their decisions going to be better in January?

Poor recruitment in the summer has left us with a squad lacking the quality to make the play offs - although the manager was himself part of that process. Yet this squad isn't a relegation standard squad. The only reason that we are in relegation form is poor management. 

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1 minute ago, CornwallRam said:

Roos, Bogle, Malone, Davies, Forsyth, Wisdom, Dowell, Waghorn, Lawrence, Jozefzoon, Marriott, Martin, Bennett, Holmes, Anya and Huddlestone have all played regularly in sides which finished in the top 6 in the Championship. Have they all become poor players?

Having seen no news to the contrary, the current recruitment set up (including the manager) brought in Hamer, Bielik, Clarke, Paterson and Dowell. They also sent Carson out on loan. Are their decisions going to be better in January?

Poor recruitment in the summer has left us with a squad lacking the quality to make the play offs - although the manager was himself part of that process. Yet this squad isn't a relegation standard squad. The only reason that we are in relegation form is poor management. 

You forgot injuries or does that not count. 

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15 hours ago, Spanish said:

The cliche phrase is too good to go down.  Does anybody think that?

Rooney and anybody else we sign will be our only hope because the current squad and the way they are set up will see our points advantage evaporate 

This has just made me think... assuming Rooney plays more than not, if we still go down, would that rate as even more embarrassing than "That season"?  I think it just might!

Nah... it can't happen... and besides, we still have Jan & Feb to come yet, and things always pick up then!  

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3 minutes ago, RamNut said:

forget trying to build a team around Martin and Lawrence.

Lawrence has finally run out of lives 

And I love Chris, but he can’t run 

Quite right ,, sadly Chris is quickly back to ambling around , Lawrence is just not good enough and is a liability with stupid fouls, petulance and needless bookings , problem is people want to build teams around them because they debatably are the best we have but for where we want to go they are not good enough ,, franks permanent s are not good enough apart from maybe Shinnie who looks like he can do a job and kick on to being a decent player ,,,

whether cocu is the man to clear the mess and build a side is one thing but a rebuild is what we need 

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