Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Whether people like to admit it or not, Butterfield and Johnson would be a far better bet than what we currently have in midfield. The sad thing is, we all saw this coming. We all talked about needing a quality midfielder and winger. We got Dowell and Paterson who are probably worse than what we already had. Whoever scouts players for Derby needs to find a new job. Fail time and again, year after year, to buy anyone decent. The sooner Mel Sage and Steve Cross are fit the better as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldstar Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Derbydave96 said: Roos Bogle Keogh Clarke Lowe Bielik Evans Waghorn Marriott Holmes Martin I would bloody love to see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: Whether people like to admit it or not, Butterfield and Johnson would be a far better bet than what we currently have in midfield. The sad thing is, we all saw this coming. We all talked about needing a quality midfielder and winger. We got Dowell and Paterson who are probably worse than what we already had. Whoever scouts players for Derby needs to find a new job. Fail time and again, year after year, to buy anyone decent. The sooner Mel Sage and Steve Cross are fit the better as far as I am concerned. Completely agree. Recruitment this summer tastes of 2015. Thankfully, the deadwood we have immediately acquired is on loan and we get to hand the players back to the clubs that didn’t think they were good enough at the end of the season. Hope we give a manager some time soon to make their own stamp on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, cannable said: Roos Bogle/Lowe Keogh Clarke Malone/Fozzy/Lowe Bielik Holmes Dowell Waghorn Marriott Lawrence 7 at the back that should tighten us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Mine today would have been: Holmes Keogh Clarke Lowe Beilik Knight Shinnie Waghorn Marriott Lawrence No Chris Martin? Maybe a place on the bench though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Wing backs to provide much needed width and probably better quality than we get from Josefzoon, Lawrence, Bennett and (possibly) Paterson. Roos Keogh Davies Clarke Bogle Lowe Bielik Knight Holmes Marriott Waghorn Subs: Hamer / Anya / Forsyth / Shinnie / Evans / Lawrence / Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said: 7 at the back that should tighten us up. And we successfully cloned Lowe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, europia said: No Chris Martin? Maybe a place on the bench though? Yeah. I didn't want to push it! But after watching him in last nights U23s he'd easily fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yeah. I didn't want to push it! But after watching him in last nights U23s he'd easily fit. I heard he is doing OK and looking lean & fit. Not sure if Cocu has run the rule over Martin, but maybe, just maybe, we could use his experience and hold up play ability at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Are we that desperate that we want to start Chris martin? He hasn't been good for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Hamer Bogle Keogh Clarke Lowe Bielik Knight Sibley Holmes Waghorn Marriott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4-4-2 Roos Bogle Keogh Clarke Lowe Holmes Knight Bielik Lawrence Marriott Martin (or Waggy) === Rooney to rotate with Holmes, Knight and Sibley for those two slots. Lawrence to rotate with Paterson, FloJo and JML. Others to come in if we can scrape the money together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 If Cocu wants 4-3-3 to work, he has to go with the kind of side that achieves the most balance and requires little change from game to game. One up front? Go for Chris Martin. Bring him back from the play pen, get him fit and feeling confident, and he's the best striker we have for the system Cocu wants to play. I like Waghorn and Marriott but in this system, they are being shoehorned into the team and will continue to frustrate because they aren't suited to their roles. Defensive midfielder? Put Bielik in the position he played in for the majority of last season and made a telling contribution. Two more in midfield? Stick Holmes and Knight/Shinnie in there to give you some zip. Wingers? You chose Lawrence and Jozefzoon at the start of the season for a reason. Stick with them until it's possible to bring in new players. Roos Bogle - Keogh - Clarke - Lowe Bielik Holmes - Knight Jozefzoon - Martin - Lawrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Cocu_Doodle_Do said: Are we that desperate that we want to start Chris martin? He hasn't been good for a while now. In terms of players we have at the club, CM probably the most suitable striker to suit a Cocu system. Better than square pegs in round holes. Just a thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangwayD Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I partly agree with Jourdon but your thinking of the Chris Martin from 3-4 years ago. Still feel should be in and around the first team squad, Hull mostly used him off the bench when he was on loan with them and he had an impact and scored the odd goal. He's clearly still a fans favourite so with the crowd behind him I think he still might have a part to play. Imagine if he scored, or created a goal then his confidence would be flying. I actually think Evans could come into the side for away games - did well away at Huddersfield and alongside Bielik then it should form a great shield in front of a relatively young and inexperienced back four at Championship level (Keogh aside). Plus it brings in Legs and a bit of bite which we are drastically missing - although been impressed with Knight. Jozefzoon has had plenty of opportunities and sadly it doesn't seem to be happening for him so I'd be inclined to use Waggy up top with Lawrence in behind. Interesting how on all threads with regard to team selection we all seem to be close to each other and neither Huddlestone or Dowell feature but have been regulars to date ! Cheers for now Gangway D from the terrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The thing that bugs me, is Shinnie was bought in as this “Bryson” player. We are crying out for that. No offence to Jason Knight, but I’d just like to see what shinnie has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Roos Keogh Evans Clarke Bogle Holmes Bielik Shinnie Lowe Waghorn Marriott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 49 minutes ago, Cocu_Doodle_Do said: Are we that desperate that we want to start Chris martin? He hasn't been good for a while now. Martin’s never been bad, it’s just that his skill set is so niche that you can’t really fit him into many conventional systems. He’s a #10 trapped in the body of a #9. If we can create conditions for him to succeed then he still will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Bogle - Keogh - Clarke - Lowe Bielik Holmes - Shinnie Martin Waghorn - Marriott Martin played well in the 10 role in pre season and id try him there again. His passing range, his hold up play and his ability to bring others into play would all be useful attributes. The front 3 would all be able to swap positions if required. Defense will be very solid with Bogle and Clark back in and Bielik as the holding midfielder. Holmes for a bit more creativity and Shinnie as the box to box and for a bit of extra strength in midfield. At the very least we will have a more mobile midfield with this setup. None of the wingers we have are good enough, so width needs to be provided by the fullbacks. Ive lost patience with Lawrence, so he can spend a few weeks on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, cannable said: And we successfully cloned Lowe! That would be such a Derby thing to do, invent cloning and then clone a bang average full back instead of someone decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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