Sam_DCFC_1994 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Players good and bad come and go, yet Mason still sticks around and I'm struggling to see why. For a striker his record is shambolic. He emerged the same time as will Hughes 7/8 years ago who has since played several seasons in the championship and is now in his 2nd/3rd season I believe in the premier league? Mason still struggles to get in our starting line up 7 years on!! and when he does, he simply does not score enough, or at all for that matter. I think the best thing would be for us to move him on asap. Thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn5 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 He aint a striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_DCFC_1994 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Ok sorry, forward. Point still absolutely remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 He barely starts and I’d guess he’s on low wages. I’d be concerned if he was first choice all the time. He loves Derby, so probably happier than most pros to be on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Although Bennett has been around for a long time, he's been hampered by injuries and not having a run in the side in his preferred position. To be honest, I'm not sure what that is but, almost like everyone else, it's probably as a number 10 off the main striker. But whether we're talking about Mason Bennett or anyone else, any club strives to replace their players with better ones. Brian Clough used to say "if I can sign a better centre half than Roy McFarland then I will do". The problem is it's hard to turn over players as we're seeing at Derby now. We still haven't moved out all of the deadwood from previous managers' transfer mistakes. And we don't have the cash to bring in quality replacements. Lampard benefitted hugely by his three loanees but those were so short term. A longer term, more sustainable path would be to develop players through the academy. Sadly, it seems, the majority of our supporters will not have the patience for that. So, we need investment. I'm sure Mel is hoping that Rooney can improve his publicity rating and attract the big foreign money. Then maybe we can buy our way to the Premier League like Wolves and Stoke....ooh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Think one thing he needs to do is decide upon his best position. At the moment he’s alternating between the wing and up front too much to really grow into either role. He’ll become a jack of all trades master of mine type player if he doesn’t choose one or the other to focus on. It’s difficult to tell Where he’s best suited atm, but his goal record is poor, no doubt about that. He’s a pretty solid player in general play, but he does certainly lack any sort of real quality and end product. That said, a lot of people judge Him very harshly because he’s been around a while- but he made the first team at 15! That means despite it being a long time, he’s still Been developing and growing as a player for this time, it would have been very harsh for us to bin him without giving him a chance to reach his potential! So no, I think we’ve been correct in keeping him around for this length of time to let him grow. That’s not to mention he’s done a decent job for the team when called upon, particulary last season- albeit I think he’s only an impact sub quality. You still need those in your squad though! I also think its very harsh to compare him to Hughes. Hughes was a very special academy graduate who went above and beyond what a player from that academy era would have been expected to- he’s made the top flight for goodness sake! Bennett’s been a pretty damn decent academy graduate in his impact on the first team for me. However, I am going to contradict myself here and say maybe it will be time for him to go either in January or the end of the season. Not to “bin him off ASAP” because he’s still a decent player, but he is now 23 so perhaps the time has come to move on if he wants a more regular role. We need to improve our wide area, but we’ll need bodies out to be able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 In this division, he's a great option off the bench. He's obviously hard working in training, which inadvertently makes everyone work harder. As a striker, he doesn't have the technique or the presence. I'd have liked Martin there tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 He’s simply not good enough, and we’re blinkered because “he’s one of our own”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Saturn5 said: He aint a striker He played there last night by all accounts i know what your saying and I agree but cocu and Lampard seems him as a stand in centre forward for us. As soon as I saw that line up last night it just said defeat all over it, no goals in it, no attacking momentum I love the lad but mason Bennett isn’t going to spearhead us to glory in any completion and it worries me that cocu thought he could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Ambitious said: In this division, he's a great option off the bench. He's obviously hard working in training, which inadvertently makes everyone work harder. As a striker, he doesn't have the technique or the presence. I'd have liked Martin there tonight. Agree re Martin re Bennett He’s craig Fagan, quick and hard working and can make something happen .... sometimes if our lucks in ... in terms of the front line he’s a jack of all trades master of none doesn’t score goals and isn’t a wide player that’s going to get u assists handy option off the bench at this level and probably happy enough being that anymore and we need to start looking at what we actually aim to achieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Millenniumram said: Think one thing he needs to do is decide upon his best position. At the moment he’s alternating between the wing and up front too much to really grow into either role. He’ll become a jack of all trades master of mine type player if he doesn’t choose one or the other to focus on. It’s difficult to tell Where he’s best suited atm, but his goal record is poor, no doubt about that. He’s a pretty solid player in general play, but he does certainly lack any sort of real quality and end product. That said, a lot of people judge Him very harshly because he’s been around a while- but he made the first team at 15! That means despite it being a long time, he’s still Been developing and growing as a player for this time, it would have been very harsh for us to bin him without giving him a chance to reach his potential! So no, I think we’ve been correct in keeping him around for this length of time to let him grow. That’s not to mention he’s done a decent job for the team when called upon, particulary last season- albeit I think he’s only an impact sub quality. You still need those in your squad though! I also think its very harsh to compare him to Hughes. Hughes was a very special academy graduate who went above and beyond what a player from that academy era would have been expected to- he’s made the top flight for goodness sake! Bennett’s been a pretty damn decent academy graduate in his impact on the first team for me. However, I am going to contradict myself here and say maybe it will be time for him to go either in January or the end of the season. Not to “bin him off ASAP” because he’s still a decent player, but he is now 23 so perhaps the time has come to move on if he wants a more regular role. We need to improve our wide area, but we’ll need bodies out to be able to do that. Maybe he knows his best position, but doesn't get played there enough? He doesn't pick where he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 A move to Chelsea might be the best for all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramboy63 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Not good enough for the Championship,must be on low wages or he would of been gone by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 mason bennett lacks threat at as a no9 but do have another no9 somewhere, and another player still to arrive. he is a decent understudy and play a number of positions. He does need to add a few more goals to his game though - agreed. You'd only pick him up at centre forward if you weren't fussed about winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I remember when B4 said adout him scoring 20goals this season and i said if he did I'd run Notts naked with a Derby scarf on... sadly the lad is all power, no guile, no composure, just wham bam thank u mam, what he does is sooo hit and miss, and sadly for us and him its mainly miss. I have no clue about his best position, need a mind like Peter Taylor to work that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Sam_DCFC_1994 said: Players good and bad come and go, yet Mason still sticks around and I'm struggling to see why. For a striker his record is shambolic. He emerged the same time as will Hughes 7/8 years ago who has since played several seasons in the championship and is now in his 2nd/3rd season I believe in the premier league? Mason still struggles to get in our starting line up 7 years on!! and when he does, he simply does not score enough, or at all for that matter. I think the best thing would be for us to move him on asap. Thoughts ? Our last 3 managers have thought he was good enough to keep around And comparing him to Hughes just isn't fair - Hughes is a class above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 hours ago, IslandExile said: Although Bennett has been around for a long time, he's been hampered by injuries and not having a run in the side in his preferred position. To be honest, I'm not sure what that is but, almost like everyone else, it's probably as a number 10 off the main striker. But whether we're talking about Mason Bennett or anyone else, any club strives to replace their players with better ones. Brian Clough used to say "if I can sign a better centre half than Roy McFarland then I will do". The problem is it's hard to turn over players as we're seeing at Derby now. We still haven't moved out all of the deadwood from previous managers' transfer mistakes. And we don't have the cash to bring in quality replacements. Lampard benefitted hugely by his three loanees but those were so short term. A longer term, more sustainable path would be to develop players through the academy. Sadly, it seems, the majority of our supporters will not have the patience for that. So, we need investment. I'm sure Mel is hoping that Rooney can improve his publicity rating and attract the big foreign money. Then maybe we can buy our way to the Premier League like Wolves and Stoke....ooh. I agree with you, which is funny as last year and previous years plenty of fans were banging on because we weren't using the youth enough. Can't have it both ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 He needs to play on the wing or up top with another forward. 3 goals and 4 assists last season in just 1258 minutes of league football shows he is a useful squad player. Wilson's minutes per goal contribution was only 6 minutes better than Bennett's, and the only other player better was Marriott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Ghost of Clough said: Wilson's minutes per goal contribution was only 6 minutes better than Bennett's, and the only other player better was Marriott. See this is where stats don't tell the whole story. Why didn't Bennett play more often then Wilson then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Rambe33 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 A decent squad player. Can contribute. Not a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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