BaaLocks Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: I would suggest if it offends you,to avert your eyes when you see a thread with their names in....it will save you having to spend your valuable time writing posts criticising those who are interested. You mean the one entitled 'George Thorne' where some are considering the role of Chris Martin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: The clamour is because Martin was our best and most prolific strikers for years and Thorne was one of the best midfield players in a Derby shirt I've ever seen. Neither Blackman or Butterfield were ever more than journeymen and produced zero passion from the supporter base unlike Martin and thorne.Theres no comparison whatsoever. And,I'd suggest that a lot of people are more than curious to see how Martin would be in the first team,linked up with a pacy striker like Marriott(or vydra,as was) yet it never seems to happen. Martin and Thorne were so good for us, but their best season was 2013/14 - 6 years ago. Martin has scored 4 goals in the last 2 years. That's the reason we don't get to see Martin up top nowadays, and its the reason consecutive managers have exiled these players. Just a slight point on Butterfield also, unlike Blackman he actually hit the ground running when he first signed. He scored 8 goals in that first season. Then his form just dropped off a cliff, much like Martin. For me its a very valid comparison. The only difference being that Butterfield had his massive contract reduced then cancelled so he could go and play (which is no criticism of Martin, if a club promises to pay a player a massive wage the player is well within their rights to see that contract out). I'm not trying to rip into Martin and Thorne. 2013/14 was one of my favourite seasons supporting Derby and they will go down as two of my favourite Derby players of recent years. But for differing reasons (injury, lack of form, age etc) they're rightfully not in the centre of the clubs future plans, just like other players we have attempted to offload (Butterfield, Blackman, Anya etc). Bar an injury crisis, neither will get regular minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, RamsFan10 said: season was 2013/14 - 6 years ago. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Lots in midfield it seems. Not so many up front. Only Whittaker isn't it? stop grasping at straws instead of wasting your time on somebody who has very little chance playing for Derby again instead marvel at the young players who will turn out to have far better careers than Martin ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, TommyPowel said: stop grasping at straws instead of wasting your time on somebody who has very little chance playing for Derby again instead marvel at the young players who will turn out to have far better careers than Martin ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: ooops slip in midfield by Thorne leads to a crazy own goal soz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, RamsFan10 said: Martin and Thorne were so good for us, but their best season was 2013/14 - 6 years ago. Martin has scored 4 goals in the last 2 years. That's the reason we don't get to see Martin up top nowadays, and its the reason consecutive managers have exiled these players. Firstly - Unfortunately (as I have great love for him still) I don't see Thorne playing again for us - Bielik, Hudds, Evans and Shinnie ahead of him plus Bird coming through Now, venturing off topic Using 13/14 as the Martin benchmark for timing isn't quite right - He was our top scorer that season and the next 2 - Then for some unknown reason he was sent out on a season long loan by a mad-man - Played well for Fulham before screwing himself slightly by trying to come back to us in the January which did for his time at Fulham - Wasn't to do with how well he was playing but the politics of it Then Rowett happened and by last season he'd lost his way and a bit of faith from everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 The best thing Thorne could do would be to drop down to League 2. If he still has it, he will soon move back up but he needs to rebuild his career and has the time. As for Martin I would hope he still has a part to play and I think Cocu isn't one to relegate players. Up to Martin to show he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennington Ram Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 There's only so many times you can rebuild legs and have them still work properly. Hope he plays again... but it won't be at Championship level (or won't be for a few years, anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerman Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 hours ago, BondJovi said: The best thing Thorne could do would be to drop down to League 2. If he still has it, he will soon move back up but he needs to rebuild his career and has the time. As for Martin I would hope he still has a part to play and I think Cocu isn't one to relegate players. Up to Martin to show he can do it. He should go on loan to Exeter, I can see him up close then??? Keep that ex rams theme going there with Lee Holmes on the wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerman Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, TommyPowel said: ooops slip in midfield by Thorne leads to a crazy own goal soz ... His names not stevie g? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Ram Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Thorne to Scotland rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 hours ago, RamsFan10 said: Martin and Thorne were so good for us, but their best season was 2013/14 - 6 years ago. Martin has scored 4 goals in the last 2 years. That's the reason we don't get to see Martin up top nowadays, and its the reason consecutive managers have exiled these players. Just a slight point on Butterfield also, unlike Blackman he actually hit the ground running when he first signed. He scored 8 goals in that first season. Then his form just dropped off a cliff, much like Martin. For me its a very valid comparison. The only difference being that Butterfield had his massive contract reduced then cancelled so he could go and play (which is no criticism of Martin, if a club promises to pay a player a massive wage the player is well within their rights to see that contract out). I'm not trying to rip into Martin and Thorne. 2013/14 was one of my favourite seasons supporting Derby and they will go down as two of my favourite Derby players of recent years. But for differing reasons (injury, lack of form, age etc) they're rightfully not in the centre of the clubs future plans, just like other players we have attempted to offload (Butterfield, Blackman, Anya etc). Bar an injury crisis, neither will get regular minutes. It seems to me the being realistic is classed as criticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, bimmerman said: ... His names not stevie g? you missed the point that was my way of saying sorry for a previous post of mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 17 hours ago, RamsFan10 said: Martin and Thorne were so good for us, but their best season was 2013/14 - 6 years ago. 17 hours ago, SaintRam said: Jesus. Time flies, eh? Goes to show how easily you start living in the past if you're not careful and be able to leave things behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 11 hours ago, DCFC Ram said: Thorne to Scotland rumour. Really....thought he would have been able to hack it at League1/2 first before dropping all the way down to that level.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Has he signed yet ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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richinspain Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 According to the DET, Cocu has said that George is heading in the right direction. Does that mean he's passing through league 1 on his way to league 2? Feel sorry for him, excellent player ruined by injuries. Hopefully a spell playing will get him back to something like his former self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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