IlsonDerby Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 22 hours ago, Andicis said: Great news. He's utter dross. The single worst loanee we've ever had. My imagination has either made up long periods of us signing absolute dross in the last 18 years or you’re over exaggerating massively here... it’s not been successful at all but my god we’ve signed worse, so so much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 22 hours ago, Andicis said: Great news. He's utter dross. The single worst loanee we've ever had. Worse than Stern John or Danny Graham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, IlsonDerby said: My imagination has either made up long periods of us signing absolute dross in the last 18 years or you’re over exaggerating massively here... it’s not been successful at all but my god we’ve signed worse, so so much worse. In terms of attitude as well as talent, I think he's the worst. We've had bad players, but Dowell is a bad player, with bad work rate and a seemingly bad attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Andicis said: In terms of attitude as well as talent, I think he's the worst. We've had bad players, but Dowell is a bad player, with bad work rate and a seemingly bad attitude. Why bad attitude? Genuine question, has he done something that I wasnt aware of? I always see him clap Derby fans when warming up as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, MackworthRamIsGod said: Why bad attitude? Genuine question, has he done something that I wasnt aware of? I always see him clap Derby fans when warming up as a sub. The attitude thing is kind of tied into the bad work rate thing for me. I don't get the impression he's trying very hard when he's playing for us, I could be totally and utterly misguided on this. But it doesn't look that way to me. I see him strolling around the pitch, when he gives the ball away he isn't working hard to get it back etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I hope the fact we’ve announced that Paterson is leaving and not dowell doesn’t mean he’s staying. Hopefully it’s just because we need him as cover on the bench tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Andicis said: The attitude thing is kind of tied into the bad work rate thing for me. I don't get the impression he's trying very hard when he's playing for us, I could be totally and utterly misguided on this. But it doesn't look that way to me. I see him strolling around the pitch, when he gives the ball away he isn't working hard to get it back etc. There is definitely a player there somewhere, it's no coincidence for me that as soon as Rooney arrives proper, Dowell gets back in. Rooney will know how highly rated he was at Everton and probably told Cocu it was worth giving him another chance. It might be that the tactics we employ isn't suiting his more attacking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Andicis said: The attitude thing is kind of tied into the bad work rate thing for me. I don't get the impression he's trying very hard when he's playing for us, I could be totally and utterly misguided on this. But it doesn't look that way to me. I see him strolling around the pitch, when he gives the ball away he isn't working hard to get it back etc. Think that's just his style - similar to Huddlestone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 He is not a bad player he is young and very out of form and very low on confidence - but not our player so I am not overly concerned about him if we give opportunity to our own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: He is not a bad player I have not seen enough signs of “goodness” personally. Taking Sibleys bench place for me so I would get rid if we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: I have not seen enough signs of “goodness” personally. Taking Sibleys bench place for me so I would get rid if we can. Mount was special, Wilson was able but with the free kicks added in offered something. ... Dowell is ok, I think he has some skill but I see limited desire which perplexes me ... meh whatever the boss says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Andicis said: In terms of attitude as well as talent, I think he's the worst. We've had bad players, but Dowell is a bad player, with bad work rate and a seemingly bad attitude. He’s not a bad player. We’ve seen him excel at this level previously. It hasn’t worked out for him here. It didn’t for Peter Whittingham, Danny Graham, Lingard and a host of other players who went on to have admiral careers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, IlsonDerby said: He’s not a bad player. We’ve seen him excel at this level previously. It hasn’t worked out for him here. It didn’t for Peter Whittingham, Danny Graham, Lingard and a host of other players who went on to have admiral careers... He looks all at sea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 There’s nowt wrong with him. He’s just a scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Praise be, if this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Animal is a Ram said: Praise be, if this is true. Was waiting for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Thank the Christ for that. Will mean Everton will have to recall him so we can get shot of the muppet for free. Almost feel sorry for the Wigan fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Sure he will go on and do well there Not even close to being as bad as some people have pretended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The way I see it is Knight is playing in the same position Paterson would occupy and Rooney in the same position you'd expect Dowell to occupy. May as well create space in the squad for loan players covering more urgent positions. Sensible move all round. Really hope he kicks on as he is talented, just stalled at Sheff last year and hasn't been able to get back into it here. Not the dreadful player some drama queens on here would make him out to be but this move really hasn't worked. There's still that player in there that looked a cut above this level when at Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Hope it works out for him. I don't see any reason for ill will towards him, it just really, really didn't work out for him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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