DCFC1388 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I see a lot of people thinking we may need to sell Vydra this summer to fund any incomings but I believe we can get a fair amount of money from other players to cover incomings. The below is a list of players with 1 year left on their deal or out of favour. Also add into that the savings on the likes of Bent's, Shackell's + Baird's wages. How much do people realistically think we could get for the below? Does show how much we overpaid but also time to cut our losses on a lot. Craig Bryson - £750k Andreas Weimann - £1.5m Jacob Butterfield - £1.25m Bradley Johnson - £2m Nick Blackman - £1m Marcus Olsson - £500k David Nugent - £400k Curtis Davies - New contract Tom Huddlestone - New contract Alex Pearce - £500k Joe Ledley - New contract Cameron Jerome - Won't sell or offer new deal Ikechi Anya - £1m Chris Martin - £2.5m Richard Keogh - £2.5m Total - £13.9m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 The price tag is immaterial, nobody is going to offer any of those players more money than they are on here, and unless players are desperate to play, they won't take a pay cut to play elsewhere. We'll spend the whole summer trying to sell them and end up loaning them out at the end of the transfer window, still paying a portion of their wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, curb said: The price tag is immaterial, nobody is going to offer any of those players more money than they are on here, and unless players are desperate to play, they won't take a pay cut to play elsewhere. We'll spend the whole summer trying to sell them and end up loaning them out at the end of the transfer window, still paying a portion of their wages. You say this but with teams like WBA + Stoke likely to be relegated I could see them looking at players like Weimann, Butterfield, Johnson, Keogh, Martin and I can also see them being able to offer a similar wage to what they are currently on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: You say this but with teams like WBA + Stoke likely to be relegated I could see them looking at players like Weimann, Butterfield, Johnson, Keogh, Martin and I can also see them being able to offer a similar wage to what they are currently on. No chance, we couldn't give them away. The only one on that list that is sellable is possibly Keogh, and then it would be a token fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, curb said: The price tag is immaterial, nobody is going to offer any of those players more money than they are on here, and unless players are desperate to play, they won't take a pay cut to play elsewhere. We'll spend the whole summer trying to sell them and end up loaning them out at the end of the transfer window, still paying a portion of their wages. Yeah I tend to agree, any outgoings will be minimal and regardless who the manager is next season the vast majority of players will be the same. Gonna be a 2-3 year rebuild now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 hours ago, DCFC1388 said: I see a lot of people thinking we may need to sell Vydra this summer to fund any incomings but I believe we can get a fair amount of money from other players to cover incomings. The below is a list of players with 1 year left on their deal or out of favour. Also add into that the savings on the likes of Bent's, Shackell's + Baird's wages. How much do people realistically think we could get for the below? Does show how much we overpaid but also time to cut our losses on a lot. Craig Bryson - £750k Andreas Weimann - £1.5m Jacob Butterfield - £1.25m Bradley Johnson - £2m Nick Blackman - £1m Marcus Olsson - £500k David Nugent - £400k Curtis Davies - New contract Tom Huddlestone - New contract Alex Pearce - £500k Joe Ledley - New contract Cameron Jerome - Won't sell or offer new deal Ikechi Anya - £1m Chris Martin - £2.5m Richard Keogh - £2.5m Total - £13.9m Cloud cookoo land. If people were going to offer that sort of money they would have been offloaded in Jan. we are stuck with our deadwood until (1) the contract expires (2) we loan out and pay most of the wages (3) more likely than not we offer them a New contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram1964 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Best we can hope for us they all get injured and we can claim some insurance ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doodle said: Cloud cookoo land. If people were going to offer that sort of money they would have been offloaded in Jan. we are stuck with our deadwood until (1) the contract expires (2) we loan out and pay most of the wages (3) more likely than not we offer them a New contract You know it's sad but true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Even if we did get £14m for the 11 players you mentioned, we’d have to probably get in 8 replacements at a minimum. That means £14m over 8 players which would get us about 8 Cameron Jerome standard players In today’s world, £14m can probably get you 3 good players at a push! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 10 hours ago, DCFC1388 said: I see a lot of people thinking we may need to sell Vydra this summer to fund any incomings but I believe we can get a fair amount of money from other players to cover incomings. The below is a list of players with 1 year left on their deal or out of favour. Also add into that the savings on the likes of Bent's, Shackell's + Baird's wages. How much do people realistically think we could get for the below? Does show how much we overpaid but also time to cut our losses on a lot. Craig Bryson - £750k Andreas Weimann - £1.5m Jacob Butterfield - £1.25m Bradley Johnson - £2m Nick Blackman - £1m Marcus Olsson - £500k David Nugent - £400k Curtis Davies - New contract Tom Huddlestone - New contract Alex Pearce - £500k Joe Ledley - New contract Cameron Jerome - Won't sell or offer new deal Ikechi Anya - £1m Chris Martin - £2.5m Richard Keogh - £2.5m Total - £13.9m Ledley new contract ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 About £9m for those listed above. It's far easier to shift players in summer - longer window and more moves in general to free up opportunity for replacements. Priced low enough most would be sold relatively easily, there are some championship sides with huge budgets who would take players as rotation. Of course it may also require some form of settlement from us for others to accept lower terms. Carson - Easy £2m given his form but hope we hold on Forsyth - Despite his ropey form this season a fair few would shell out something like £300k Keogh - £2m+ bidding war between some surprising teams Anya - hard to move on for a fee but surely no shortage of takers if available on a free/nominal. One to give away to free up wages Lawrence - Drop the price to £3m and someone would bite Baird - Free agent anyway but should get a move to a lower league club Wisdom - £1m would be a decent gamble for some Johnson - We'd struggle to shift him, best we could hope for is a team like Norwich he has an affinity for wanting him - £500k and they'd be doing us a favour Pearce - £500k, no lack of suitors Weimann - not done himself any harm by playing, probably a few looking if he were around the £1m mark Roos - Nominal at best but I imagine quite a few options Vydra - This really is the difficult one, pull a number out of the air, £12-15m? and takers in this division if not above Hanson - £100-250k to Wigan or somewhere Nugent - Like Johnson it would really help if someone like PNE wanted him, for a proven scorer I'd say a few teams might thrown £300k at us Olsson - £300k again, there are plenty of championship sides he'd get in, and if cheap enough would attract Jerome - doubt we'll find anyone daft enough to refund us, £500k tops Davies - didn't pay much for him, don't expect much for him but teams would take him at a nominal price Thorne - Hmmm, maybe £500k? People will remember what he was and see a fair gamble/potential bargain Mitchell - £250k, proved nothing but seems to have a reasonable reputation Ledley - £500k, experienced player will always find a club Huddlestone - £1m, a few would add him at that Thomas £1m, young English prospect Bryson £500k, Cardiff will make it permanent Shackell, out of contract thank god Martin, can see someone paying £2m if they are looking for a striker as main target Bent, free agent Butterfield £250k, can't see Wednesday wanting him at more than that Bennett £150k, not made much impact this year Blackman £750k-1m after a reasonable season in Israel Lowe £500k now but worth more in the long term Max Bird should have a reasonable £500k price for potential Jakobson, Stabana, McDonald, McAllister, Guy, Gordon, Elsnik, Vernam, Zanzala and other youth products anything from nominal to £250k depending how we feel about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rample said: About £9m for those listed above. It's far easier to shift players in summer - longer window and more moves in general to free up opportunity for replacements. Priced low enough most would be sold relatively easily, there are some championship sides with huge budgets who would take players as rotation. Of course it may also require some form of settlement from us for others to accept lower terms. Carson - Easy £2m given his form but hope we hold on Forsyth - Despite his ropey form this season a fair few would shell out something like £300k Keogh - £2m+ bidding war between some surprising teams Anya - hard to move on for a fee but surely no shortage of takers if available on a free/nominal. One to give away to free up wages Lawrence - Drop the price to £3m and someone would bite Baird - Free agent anyway but should get a move to a lower league club Wisdom - £1m would be a decent gamble for some Johnson - We'd struggle to shift him, best we could hope for is a team like Norwich he has an affinity for wanting him - £500k and they'd be doing us a favour Pearce - £500k, no lack of suitors Weimann - not done himself any harm by playing, probably a few looking if he were around the £1m mark Roos - Nominal at best but I imagine quite a few options Vydra - This really is the difficult one, pull a number out of the air, £12-15m? and takers in this division if not above Hanson - £100-250k to Wigan or somewhere Nugent - Like Johnson it would really help if someone like PNE wanted him, for a proven scorer I'd say a few teams might thrown £300k at us Olsson - £300k again, there are plenty of championship sides he'd get in, and if cheap enough would attract Jerome - doubt we'll find anyone daft enough to refund us, £500k tops Davies - didn't pay much for him, don't expect much for him but teams would take him at a nominal price Thorne - Hmmm, maybe £500k? People will remember what he was and see a fair gamble/potential bargain Mitchell - £250k, proved nothing but seems to have a reasonable reputation Ledley - £500k, experienced player will always find a club Huddlestone - £1m, a few would add him at that Thomas £1m, young English prospect Bryson £500k, Cardiff will make it permanent Shackell, out of contract thank god Martin, can see someone paying £2m if they are looking for a striker as main target Bent, free agent Butterfield £250k, can't see Wednesday wanting him at more than that Bennett £150k, not made much impact this year Blackman £750k-1m after a reasonable season in Israel Lowe £500k now but worth more in the long term Max Bird should have a reasonable £500k price for potential Jakobson, Stabana, McDonald, McAllister, Guy, Gordon, Elsnik, Vernam, Zanzala and other youth products anything from nominal to £250k depending how we feel about them. Who would we play? The tea lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, derbydaz22 said: Who would we play? The tea lady? Going on loan to Morecambe I hear in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Going on loan to Morecambe I hear in the summer. Send her out to get a bit more experience as she’s only 73 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Mckram said: Even if we did get £14m for the 11 players you mentioned, we’d have to probably get in 8 replacements at a minimum. That means £14m over 8 players which would get us about 8 Cameron Jerome standard players In today’s world, £14m can probably get you 3 good players at a push! Or 2 crap ones if your Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Rample said: About £9m for those listed above. It's far easier to shift players in summer - longer window and more moves in general to free up opportunity for replacements. Priced low enough most would be sold relatively easily, there are some championship sides with huge budgets who would take players as rotation. Of course it may also require some form of settlement from us for others to accept lower terms. Carson - Easy £2m given his form but hope we hold on Forsyth - Despite his ropey form this season a fair few would shell out something like £300k Keogh - £2m+ bidding war between some surprising teams Anya - hard to move on for a fee but surely no shortage of takers if available on a free/nominal. One to give away to free up wages Lawrence - Drop the price to £3m and someone would bite Baird - Free agent anyway but should get a move to a lower league club Wisdom - £1m would be a decent gamble for some Johnson - We'd struggle to shift him, best we could hope for is a team like Norwich he has an affinity for wanting him - £500k and they'd be doing us a favour Pearce - £500k, no lack of suitors Weimann - not done himself any harm by playing, probably a few looking if he were around the £1m mark Roos - Nominal at best but I imagine quite a few options Vydra - This really is the difficult one, pull a number out of the air, £12-15m? and takers in this division if not above Hanson - £100-250k to Wigan or somewhere Nugent - Like Johnson it would really help if someone like PNE wanted him, for a proven scorer I'd say a few teams might thrown £300k at us Olsson - £300k again, there are plenty of championship sides he'd get in, and if cheap enough would attract Jerome - doubt we'll find anyone daft enough to refund us, £500k tops Davies - didn't pay much for him, don't expect much for him but teams would take him at a nominal price Thorne - Hmmm, maybe £500k? People will remember what he was and see a fair gamble/potential bargain Mitchell - £250k, proved nothing but seems to have a reasonable reputation Ledley - £500k, experienced player will always find a club Huddlestone - £1m, a few would add him at that Thomas £1m, young English prospect Bryson £500k, Cardiff will make it permanent Shackell, out of contract thank god Martin, can see someone paying £2m if they are looking for a striker as main target Bent, free agent Butterfield £250k, can't see Wednesday wanting him at more than that Bennett £150k, not made much impact this year Blackman £750k-1m after a reasonable season in Israel Lowe £500k now but worth more in the long term Max Bird should have a reasonable £500k price for potential Jakobson, Stabana, McDonald, McAllister, Guy, Gordon, Elsnik, Vernam, Zanzala and other youth products anything from nominal to £250k depending how we feel about them. Yes when you look at the reality, in terms of numbers, it's all very disappointing. He may be partly to blame (with good intentions), but think How Mel feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 10 bob for the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 12 hours ago, DCFC1388 said: I see a lot of people thinking we may need to sell Vydra this summer to fund any incomings but I believe we can get a fair amount of money from other players to cover incomings. The below is a list of players with 1 year left on their deal or out of favour. Also add into that the savings on the likes of Bent's, Shackell's + Baird's wages. How much do people realistically think we could get for the below? Does show how much we overpaid but also time to cut our losses on a lot. Craig Bryson - 500k Andreas Weimann - £2m Jacob Butterfield - 250k Bradley Johnson - £1.5m Nick Blackman - 500k Marcus Olsson - £500k David Nugent - 750k Curtis Davies - 3m Tom Huddlestone - 5m Alex Pearce - 250k Joe Ledley - 2m Cameron Jerome - 500k Ikechi Anya - £1m Chris Martin - £5m Richard Keogh - £4m Total - 26.75m That would be imo would you would get for that list of players, tho there’s quite a few on there that I wouldn’t sell at all naturally. Shows how much money clement threw down the drain, and actually tbf, how reasonable some of last summers signings were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Realistically outgoing prices will be determined by how much interest there is in X player, and if X player is part of Rowett’s plans. Don't ever look at X player and say he moved to X, so must be worth X. Will only lead to disappointment. So hard to value as a fan, really is, I’ve given up now and accepted that the fee they leave for is what they were worth at the time. Clubs wouldn’t take the lowest bid, unless I guess it’s a rival club and a slightly lower bid is still acceptable. But in general they will take the most money they can get. Almost like a big game of Poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 21 hours ago, DCFC1388 said: You say this but with teams like WBA + Stoke likely to be relegated I could see them looking at players like Weimann, Butterfield, Johnson, Keogh, Martin and I can also see them being able to offer a similar wage to what they are currently on. Cloud cuckoo land. Some fans on here see Weimann as a good player ( cos gary likes his headless chicken running). He's made a few good passes, scored the odd goal but what club would want to sign a player with such poor end product? and the rest you mention ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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