sage Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 For anyone thinking of reading this thread it can be summarised like this. Two people obsessively slag off one of our players, saying he is crap, going to Fulham and/or going to Wolves. Everyone else tells them they are idiots. There you go. Saved you 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 17 hours ago, Wolfie20 said: What sound basis do you have to form the opinion that CM would go out on loan? On one hand you say there was a lack of interest but then put forward Wolves as an option. What concrete evidence do you have to suggest Wolves have ever been interested enough to sign him (other than what one or two Martin haters put forward as 'fact')? Wolves were in the market for a striker but failed to get one, hence their need. They showed interest when other options didn't come off which was confirmed by their local paper. Martin is not one of Rowett's key/start every game players, is on high wages and we have added Winnall, therefore he meets Rowett's criteria for moving out to reduce both squad and wages. Martin is hardly likely to turn down a move to the bookies favourites for promotion. I believe that to be fairly sound judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rample said: Wolves were in the market for a striker but failed to get one, hence their need. They showed interest when other options didn't come off which was confirmed by their local paper. Martin is not one of Rowett's key/start every game players, is on high wages and we have added Winnall, therefore he meets Rowett's criteria for moving out to reduce both squad and wages. Martin is hardly likely to turn down a move to the bookies favourites for promotion. I believe that to be fairly sound judgement. All opinion and rumour which is fair enough but no indisputable facts. These days, the Express & Star, just like the DET are fuelled by Twitter tittle tattle and forum views....... "as reported", "we understand" etc etc and if people believe everything that newspapers, particularly regional ones print then more fool them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Heads firmly buried in the sands . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzaRam Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Take this info as you like but I got told Rowett turned down 2 bids for Martin on deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, toddy said: Heads firmly buried in the sands . Better than up their own backside ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The question about Chris Martin begs for the answer. Is he now just there to offer an alternative attacking option and also is he's going to be used properly? I pretty much doubt Gary will use him on a regularly basis week in, week out. I don't think he fits his football vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 21 hours ago, cheron85 said: No thanks - Having more energy in CM gives you cover for the wing backs BUT there's next to no creativity in that side - You've moved the guy who does all the midfield link up play at the moment into defence That's daft Morris is a centre-forward not a winger Check you out telling people what is and isn't daft. If, like the rest of us, you were an expert you would be involved in football rather than sitting on a forum giving people your opinion. The 3-5-2 formation under jim Smith had very little creativity, carsley and Van der laan would hardly be classed as creative players. And Vydra has the potential to be as influential if not better than Willems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 15 hours ago, Mistaram said: Mackworth bit risky playing without a keeper and ten men ? After sheff United I would rather take the risk of not having Carson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogbad van 50 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 33 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: After sheff United I would rather take the risk of not having Carson. We could put Martin in goal.At least he'd get to kick the ball now and again! He'd be comfortable with back passes as well!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, sage said: For anyone thinking of reading this thread it can be summarised like this. Two people obsessively slag off one of our players, saying he is crap, going to Fulham and/or going to Wolves. Everyone else tells them they are idiots. There you go. Saved you 30 minutes. Nice one @sage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Check you out telling people what is and isn't daft. If, like the rest of us, you were an expert you would be involved in football rather than sitting on a forum giving people your opinion. The 3-5-2 formation under jim Smith had very little creativity, carsley and Van der laan would hardly be classed as creative players. And Vydra has the potential to be as influential if not better than Willems. You might want to re-check what I was referring to as being daft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Just now, cheron85 said: You might want to re-check what I was referring to as being daft... I realised afterwards, my apologies ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 hours ago, toddy said: Heads firmly buried in the sands . You're being a bit harsh on yourself and Ninos there Toddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 hours ago, Steve How Hard? said: You're being a bit harsh on yourself and Ninos there Toddy. All those plonkers that thought martin was coming back in the summer and thought they were going to see martin of 2013/14 season when will you learn he is past it now. All those back in July that were saying Chrissy is all lean and looks fit - looks can be deceptive you know. He was once a good striker, was! We need to move on, with Winnall coming in it looks like GR is bring ing in more options Not too sure where martin goes from here. It was possibly a get out for him if we had accepted one of the offers for him last month. Now he could end up festering on the bench and costing us a fortune in wages each week in doing so ( thanks Mac). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, toddy said: All those plonkers that thought martin was coming back in the summer and thought they were going to see martin of 2013/14 season when will you learn he is past it now. All those back in July that were saying Chrissy is all lean and looks fit - looks can be deceptive you know. He was once a good striker, was! We need to move on, with Winnall coming in it looks like GR is bring ing in more options Not too sure where martin goes from here. It was possibly a get out for him if we had accepted one of the offers for him last month. Now he could end up festering on the bench and costing us a fortune in wages each week in doing so ( thanks Mac). Would you like to be wrong? Or would it eat at your soul if Chris Martin showed himself to be a good player and scored goals for Derby County in 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 46 minutes ago, toddy said: All those plonkers that thought martin was coming back in the summer and thought they were going to see martin of 2013/14 season when will you learn he is past it now. All those back in July that were saying Chrissy is all lean and looks fit - looks can be deceptive you know. He was once a good striker, was! We need to move on, with Winnall coming in it looks like GR is bring ing in more options Not too sure where martin goes from here. It was possibly a get out for him if we had accepted one of the offers for him last month. Now he could end up festering on the bench and costing us a fortune in wages each week in doing so ( thanks Mac). And you'd love him and Derby to fail, nice support sonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, toddy said: All those plonkers that thought martin was coming back in the summer and thought they were going to see martin of 2013/14 season when will you learn he is past it now. All those back in July that were saying Chrissy is all lean and looks fit - looks can be deceptive you know. He was once a good striker, was! We need to move on, with Winnall coming in it looks like GR is bring ing in more options Not too sure where martin goes from here. It was possibly a get out for him if we had accepted one of the offers for him last month. Now he could end up festering on the bench and costing us a fortune in wages each week in doing so ( thanks Mac). Once again your vitriolic logic is flawed. Granted it's obvious GR doesn't see him as an automatic choice. Utilised correctly though, he still has plenty to offer at this level. One of his main attributes is the quickness of his footballing brain. Very much doubt that is in decline at 28/29 yrs old. If he relied on his pace then maybe you could have a point. However, once again your tunnel vision has clouded your judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosythram Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, toddy said: All those plonkers that thought martin was coming back in the summer and thought they were going to see martin of 2013/14 season when will you learn he is past it now. All those back in July that were saying Chrissy is all lean and looks fit - looks can be deceptive you know. He was once a good striker, was! We need to move on, with Winnall coming in it looks like GR is bring ing in more options Not too sure where martin goes from here. It was possibly a get out for him if we had accepted one of the offers for him last month. Now he could end up festering on the bench and costing us a fortune in wages each week in doing so ( thanks Mac). It would appear to me that " all those plonkers" you so tactfully refer equally have as much right to an option as you do. The main difference being they look at our team favourably where as you appear to view with total disdain, I really struggle to understand what enjoyment one would get from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 hours ago, toddy said: All those plonkers that thought martin was coming back in the summer and thought they were going to see martin of 2013/14 season when will you learn he is past it now. All those back in July that were saying Chrissy is all lean and looks fit - looks can be deceptive you know. He was once a good striker, was! We need to move on, with Winnall coming in it looks like GR is bring ing in more options Not too sure where martin goes from here. It was possibly a get out for him if we had accepted one of the offers for him last month. Now he could end up festering on the bench and costing us a fortune in wages each week in doing so ( thanks Mac). Yup, you don't think he's due for a goal after 10 consecutive games for Derby with ZERO? Law of averages says he has to score at some point. Surely. 550 minutes of starting and coming off the bench, but who's counting? And he still has believers? Mind boggling. It's no wonder we went and got Winnall. We need strikers who can score TODAY not years ago. Much prefer our chances with Nugent Vydra Winnall and/or Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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