cheron85 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Timdcfc said: I never thought if it that way, what would you go for then? I think 4-2-3-1 We have the players for it - Gives us cover for the defence - Enough to attack down the sides or through the middle - potential to get enough players in the box I know it's boring to suggest the formation we actually play - But I think it's the best option for the squad - And I know everyone seems to want to play 3 at the back but we don't have the players for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 22 minutes ago, Timdcfc said: Can you explain why not? deleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timdcfc Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I think 4-2-3-1 We have the players for it - Gives us cover for the defence - Enough to attack down the sides or through the middle - potential to get enough players in the box I know it's boring to suggest the formation we actually play - But I think it's the best option for the squad - And I know everyone seems to want to play 3 at the back but we don't have the players for it Okay what about a 4-2-1-3? We have two defensive midfielders and we have the 4 in defence which seems to be preferred but then we overload the opposition defenders. The 1 being Vydra playing behind the central striker and use Lawrence or Weimann on the wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4-2-3-1? 4-2-1-3? These are just modern names for formations that are derivatives of 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, Timdcfc said: Okay what about a 4-2-1-3? We have two defensive midfielders and we have the 4 in defence which seems to be preferred but then we overload the opposition defenders. The 1 being Vydra playing behind the central striker and use Lawrence or Weimann on the wings? I think we're talking about the same formation here xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx 20 minutes ago, Saul Pimpson said: 4-2-3-1? 4-2-1-3? These are just modern names for formations that are derivatives of 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 in reality. Yes - To an extent - But arguably there's nothing different between a 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 other than a 4-4-1-1 would be something like "4-4-2 with a dropped 10" and it's easier to understand as 4-4-1-1 4-2-3-1 would be "4-4-2 with a dropped 10 and the wingers slightly more forward" - Which is more easily understood as 4-2-3-1 Yes your wingers will still track back but it's the understanding that they are more attacking players than you might choose in a standard 4-4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Ennui Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We basically play 4-4-2 with Vydra dropping off a bit from the other striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Penelope Pendrex said: We basically play 4-4-2 with Vydra dropping off a bit from the other striker. Exactly. That's because me n thee talk about formations when the team is in a defensive shape, rather than when in an attacking shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I know this will get slated, but I'd go for the old 3-5-2. Keogh Huddlestone Davies Wisdom Forsyth Kifetendbeld Johnson Vydra Nugent Martin Huddlestone would be my new Igor Stimac (if that was ever possible). Both Forsyth and Wisdom can up and down. Lawrence would eventually force his way into any one of the forward spots, possibly in place of Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Carson Keogh Huddlestone Martin Nugent Lawrence Russell Weimann Vydra Bennett Morris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I know this will get slated, but I'd go for the old 3-5-2. No thanks - Having more energy in CM gives you cover for the wing backs BUT there's next to no creativity in that side - You've moved the guy who does all the midfield link up play at the moment into defence 9 minutes ago, TroyDyer said: Carson Keogh Huddlestone Martin Nugent Lawrence Russell Weimann Vydra Bennett Morris That's daft Morris is a centre-forward not a winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We have the players to play any formation the manager wants too and probably will to suit some opponents i know it's small beer but at sheff united when Martin came on he was winning the ball and taking defenders away from their positions and getting into good positions if the ball ever came towards him we have great options with Martin nugent Vydra and winnall ( potential Bent as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, cheron85 said: No thanks - Having more energy in CM gives you cover for the wing backs BUT there's next to no creativity in that side - You've moved the guy who does all the midfield link up play at the moment into defence That's daft Morris is a centre-forward not a winger No he's definitely a winger. I know because I've heard it said on here that he's been winging it for the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: No he's definitely a winger. I know because I've heard it said on here that he's been winging it for the last few years. I thought he would have been a success but didn't get the support? Let down mainly by the people around him giving him poor service? (And people can't even complain that this post is off topic...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 58 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I know this will get slated, but I'd go for the old 3-5-2. Keogh Huddlestone Davies Wisdom Forsyth Kifetendbeld Johnson Vydra Nugent Martin Huddlestone would be my new Igor Stimac (if that was ever possible). Both Forsyth and Wisdom can up and down. Lawrence would eventually force his way into any one of the forward spots, possibly in place of Martin. This is pretty much the position Huddlestone takes up now in the second half as he gets tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timdcfc Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 52 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: No he's definitely a winger. I know because I've heard it said on here that he's been winging it for the last few years. He plays 6 a side on a Wednesday night, I've seen it. #itk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 lIf there was still a loan window Martin would be on his way out again. Presumably to Wolves with an option to buy. He's only still here due to a lack of interest and time. I still believe he has something to offer, and he may surprise me and force his way back into GRs plans, but some strikers need consistent runs to build up form and I don't think he'll get that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Timdcfc said: He plays 6 a side on a Wednesday night, I've seen it. #itk He usually plays 5 a season. Managers that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Rample said: lIf there was still a loan window Martin would be on his way out again. Presumably to Wolves with an option to buy. He's only still here due to a lack of interest and time. I still believe he has something to offer, and he may surprise me and force his way back into GRs plans, but some strikers need consistent runs to build up form and I don't think he'll get that now. What sound basis do you have to form the opinion that CM would go out on loan? On one hand you say there was a lack of interest but then put forward Wolves as an option. What concrete evidence do you have to suggest Wolves have ever been interested enough to sign him (other than what one or two Martin haters put forward as 'fact')? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Rample said: lIf there was still a loan window Martin would be on his way out again. Presumably to Wolves with an option to buy. He's only still here due to a lack of interest and time. 13 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: What sound basis do you have to form the opinion that CM would go out on loan? On one hand you say there was a lack of interest but then put forward Wolves as an option. What concrete evidence do you have to suggest Wolves have ever been interested enough to sign him (other than what one or two Martin haters put forward as 'fact')? Madness - The crazys are out in force again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistaram Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 7 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I know this will get slated, but I'd go for the old 3-5-2. Keogh Huddlestone Davies Wisdom Forsyth Kifetendbeld Johnson Vydra Nugent Martin Huddlestone would be my new Igor Stimac (if that was ever possible). Both Forsyth and Wisdom can up and down. Lawrence would eventually force his way into any one of the forward spots, possibly in place of Martin. Mackworth bit risky playing without a keeper and ten men ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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