Kernow Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I know little of him but what's wrong with Alex Neil? He wouldn't have been a terrible appointment but he was sacked for similar reasons to Mac. Underachieving with squads good enough to be top six. I don't think Mel would've gone straight in for a sacked manager of a club with roughly the same issues to address as us. It would be the same as Norwich now going for McClaren, which would also be very surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I know little of him but what's wrong with Alex Neil? He's Scottish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kernow said: He wouldn't have been a terrible appointment but he was sacked for similar reasons to Mac. Underachieving with squads good enough to be top six. I don't think Mel would've gone straight in for a sacked manager of a club with roughly the same issues to address as us. It would be the same as Norwich now going for McClaren, which would also be very surprising. Excepting he'd taken them up just the season before and says this season was consolidation. I'm worried that GR is another Pearson style manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Angry Ram said: Spot on.. All eyes on Morris now making the right decision... Finally !! Still cant help feeling that the wheels really came off after the FA Cup game at Leicester.. Still cant square that circle. I think the wheels were off before then, the Norwich and Leeds games were an indication of what was to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Didn't the wheels fall off straight after coming out and saying they wanted CM back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, Doodle said: He's Scottish but does he like his haggis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 hours ago, toddy said: It is a very sad time for the club, we had a manager with a very good win ratio that has now been sacked. Now pushed out of the door because of the continual lack of effort of the players on the pitch. Since 2015, we have had Mac 1, Clement, Walsall, Pearson, Mac 2, Rowett? 6 managers in 2 years! Same players!!!!!? Perhaps Mel should actually look at the players, and why they are not doing what is asked of them rather changing managers every few months. We will never get any stability here whilst the axe is continually falling what happened to the common sense within Derby County. Mel, whilst you are a fan and one that finances us very well, maybe it's time to let a manager manage. A sad time for all Derby fans. You're Kenny Burns and I claim my £5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 hours ago, toddy said: It is a very sad time for the club, we had a manager with a very good win ratio that has now been sacked. Now pushed out of the door because of the continual lack of effort of the players on the pitch. Since 2015, we have had Mac 1, Clement, Walsall, Pearson, Mac 2, Rowett? 6 managers in 2 years! Same players!!!!!? Perhaps Mel should actually look at the players, and why they are not doing what is asked of them rather changing managers every few months. We will never get any stability here whilst the axe is continually falling what happened to the common sense within Derby County. Mel, whilst you are a fan and one that finances us very well, maybe it's time to let a manager manage. A sad time for all Derby fans. Bloody hell,i actually agree with toddy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Kernow said: He wouldn't have been a terrible appointment but he was sacked for similar reasons to Mac. Underachieving with squads good enough to be top six. I don't think Mel would've gone straight in for a sacked manager of a club with roughly the same issues to address as us. It would be the same as Norwich now going for McClaren, which would also be very surprising. If Mel thinks Mac has underachieved with this squad then he is utterly deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think that what Mel's had enough of is the disintegration of that hard working, robust and decent team from November, into this half-arsed shambles we've witnessed since January. Unreal how we've gone from utter gash to rock steady to utter gash performances. Players have to be blamed for not delivering, but it's always going to be the manager not the players who carry the can. I still maintain that we need at least 6, probably 10 of this squad gone in summer. Need a bit more Robbie Van der Laan and a bit less Jacob Butterfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: If Mel thinks Mac has underachieved with this squad then he is utterly deluded. I think that's exactly what Mel believes though. We got in to the top six and slipping away from the pack has resulted in the axe being wielded again. Mac has essentially dug his own grave by performing so well when he first came in around 5 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Kernow said: I think that's exactly what Mel believes though. We got in to the top six and slipping away from the pack has resulted in the axe being wielded again. Mac has essentially dug his own grave by performing so well when he first came in around 5 months ago. I think you're right on that one. Had we say lost to Sheff Wed and QPR during that run, but beat Blackburn and Cardiff City recently then perhaps the situation would be completely different. From a fans perspective I've no doubt it would be. What ultimately worries me though is that Mel genuinely believes we should be pushing for automatic promotion with the squad as it is. That because he's spent £50m in fees and wages on players over the past two seasons, then the squad should automatically be up there challenging. Football doesn't work like that Mel. And the sooner you realise this, the better! Recruit to a system, don't recruit available 'good players' if they don't fit and certainly don't pay way over the odds in terms of fees/wages for players who most definitely don't fit. Unless Mel is willing to give a manager more than 2 years to mould his own squad, I'll go on record now saying we will never get promotion to the PL under his ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennington Ram Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I'm not sure this is the right move as I wanted Steve to get a summer to do some much needed work on a truly underperforming squad, but I can see how it could work out under Rowett. I blame the players much more than Macca, and I hope Rowett gets rid of some of them anyway. If any one of them apart from Ince, maybe Keogh, Baird and Pearce, thinks they deserve anything other than the dustbin this year they're kidding themselves. That's three, probably four managers they've had sacked now, with all the same faces here. It's madness. I wanted Rowett over Pearson last year, so truly I should be Mel and Mel should be in my shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: I think you're right on that one. Had we say lost to Sheff Wed and QPR during that run, but beat Blackburn and Cardiff City recently then perhaps the situation would be completely different. From a fans perspective I've no doubt it would be. What ultimately worries me though is that Mel genuinely believes we should be pushing for automatic promotion with the squad as it is. That because he's spent £50m in fees and wages on players over the past two seasons, then the squad should automatically be up there challenging. Football doesn't work like that Mel. And the sooner you realise this, the better! Recruit to a system, don't recruit available 'good players' if they don't fit and certainly don't pay way over the odds in terms of fees/wages for players who most definitely don't fit. Unless Mel is willing to give a manager more than 2 years to mould his own squad, I'll go on record now saying we will never get promotion to the PL under his ownership. Obviously not proven, but I've read that squad overhauls were planned by both Pearson and McClaren and player power ultimately had an impact on both sackings. I'm not sure how true that is, but I do hope Mel agrees that the squad does need some serious work. I like Rowett. If we get him I'll be behind him 100% but I could only see him operating here for a significant period of time if we have a proper plan put in place. In my opinion that plan would involve allowing Rowett the remaining games to assess the squad and give a list to Sam Rush/a DoF and saying sell these players. We may need to take a loss on a few of these players but if they're not going to be involved, get rid. Then have a proper recruitment plan in place. We're linked to Reading's technical director who seems to be doing a good job. We need to work out how we will play and do some proper work on finding players who are best suited to those roles. Mel really needs to let Rowett have a free reign on the squad no matter what. Then finally, he needs time. If we allow wholesale squad changes and then get rid of him within the season, then I'll honestly give up with Mel Morris altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRam Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Kernow said: I think that's exactly what Mel believes though. We got in to the top six and slipping away from the pack has resulted in the axe being wielded again. Mac has essentially dug his own grave by performing so well when he first came in around 5 months ago. A la Ranieri. He did it on a bigger scale though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glyn1957 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I will apologise In advance to any fans who don't think I am being fair,but this load of players that we have are toxic and believe they are much better than they really are. Played power is disgraceful but going behind the managers back and telling tales to MM is in my mind unforgivable and any chance I get before the season ends I will be letting them know just what they are complete and utter snakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 This nails it for me, sorry if this has already been posted/discussed. http://m.derbytelegraph.co.uk/robin-johnson-thank-you-and-goodnight-steve-mcclaren/story-30199928-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Excepting he'd taken them up just the season before and says this season was consolidation. I'm worried that GR is another Pearson style manager. You mean having the ability to assemble a side that won the Premiership, tactically astute, excellent motivator, strong leadership and doesn't suffer fools? Why on earth would that worry you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, Pearson said: You mean having the ability to assemble a side that won the Premiership, tactically astute, excellent motivator, strong leadership and doesn't suffer fools? Why on earth would that worry you? Because that wasn't achieved by Pearson alone. In fact many other more talented people lay claim to the better bits of Leicester's recent history. See why I'm worried now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Because that wasn't achieved by Pearson alone. In fact many other more talented people lay claim to the better bits of Leicester's recent history. See why I'm worried now. Disingenuous if you cannot accept that Pearson lay the foundations, and if Rowett can achieve a similar goal, which I believe he can, well happy days. I know McClaren certainly wasn’t capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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