cannable Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Purpleram said: Whatever the merits or otherwise of McClaren, whatever his win stats are it still looks like we will ultimately fail again. Yes we had a rubbish start but the last two results but plenty before that once the run has finished have been pants. I just don't think he has got what it takes, slightly coloured by how he left us last time, but mainly as I don't see him as a winner, he's always a close but no cigar man, the bridesmaid but not the bride. Perhaps that's indicative of the quality of the side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpleram Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, cannable said: Perhaps that's indicative of the quality of the side? Possibly, but it's the cards he's dealt with and we know they can give anyone a game on their day, but when the heats on they invariably/always bottle it. It's his job to set them up to stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Purpleram said: Possibly, but it's the cards he's dealt with and we know they can give anyone a game on their day, but when the heats on they invariably/always bottle it. It's his job to set them up to stop that. It was Pearson's job too. McClaren may fail, who knows, but I'm more confident with him in charge than I was with Pearson. After all he seems to have 'played the cards he was dealt with' OK so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpleram Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, 1967Ram said: It was Pearson's job too. McClaren may fail, who knows, but I'm more confident with him in charge than I was with Pearson. After all he seems to have 'played the cards he was dealt with' OK so far. I beg to differ, but hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Purpleram said: I beg to differ, but hey ho Fair enough, COYR! Let's hope we can win on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Purpleram said: I beg to differ, but hey ho How though? He completely turned our season around instantly. Like last time he came he turned us from never winning more than we lost in a season since promotion (we got less points in the promotion season than in 13/14) to a record high finish. The real disappointment was that 14/15 season. Top 2 and 3 all that time. But we lost all our DM's, our top scorer and his cover... mistakes were made, too much tinkering. Bad ending. Still higher than before but yeah, the last couple of months were just like an hour and a bit of the last 2 games... not really good enough. The rest of his time has been way beyond expectations. Reasonable expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Alpha said: How though? He completely turned our season around instantly. Like last time he came he turned us from never winning more than we lost in a season since promotion (we got less points in the promotion season than in 13/14) to a record high finish. The real disappointment was that 14/15 season. Top 2 and 3 all that time. But we lost all our DM's, our top scorer and his cover... mistakes were made, too much tinkering. Bad ending. Still higher than before but yeah, the last couple of months were just like an hour and a bit of the last 2 games... not really good enough. The rest of his time has been way beyond expectations. Reasonable expectations 18 minutes ago, Purpleram said: I beg to differ, but hey ho Just gonna leave this here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 17 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: You're not public enemy number one at all. I have absolutely no problem with your views, more the fact that you don't stick to your views and change your mind more often than I change my pants. Added to that you never seem willing to debate your views, you either start saying irrelevant things and go off on a tangent, or say that you are being picked on. If you hate McClaren fine, don't be making threads saying how great we are though only to return to your original stance every time we lose a match. You don't change you're pants very often then mate try these ones lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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europia Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 As things stand, results show that Mclaren is performing better than the previous manager. Not looking beyond that tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 6th - 11th in 12 days. Was he a good manager when we were in 6th? Is he a bad manager because of a blip over 12 days which has seen us slide 5 places? Is it his fault all of the other teams around us have won back to back games? Should we sack managers after a 12 day blip? Maybe one a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Are problems are due to the number of managers we have had, each one wanting a different style and using the transfer market to do so. When they go it leaves a disjointed squad, good players but not the right players for the current manager. we need to stick with Steeeve, so that he can use the transfer window to bring in the right players for his system. We will then get promoted. i dont think a lot needs to change, but somethings do and for me its the midfield, wide player and striker. We also need a back up right back. a strong and tough midfield runner a strong and quick target man who can hold the ball up a tricky right winger 3 players but they will be expensive, happy with the midfielder and striker to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 2 hours ago, robglosta said: 6th - 11th in 12 days. Was he a good manager when we were in 6th? Is he a bad manager because of a blip over 12 days which has seen us slide 5 places? Is it his fault all of the other teams around us have won back to back games? Should we sack managers after a 12 day blip? Maybe one a month? Currently going at a rate of roughly 2 a season since 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 I didnt want him back either, but now he is here, and given the shower he has to choose from, I think he's doing an alright job. What I absolutely dont want is a stupid knee jerk reaction just because the fans want someone to blaime every time we lose a match. Football isn't an exact science, you cant buy a league or a promotion. Every game has to have a winner and a loser, i hate fans who think we have a define right to anything and then want to fire the manager every couple of months when we lose a few. Too many fans on here seem to come from the Al Fawaz school of football decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 After last night I wouldn't give him 10 bob to spend on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, curtains said: After last night I wouldn't give him 10 bob to spend on players. Have to agree to some extent. You just have to see what happened at Newcastle to see what happens when you give McClaren a lot of money to play around with(60 million there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/18/2017 at 16:25, jagerbob said: I didnt want him back either, but now he is here, and given the shower he has to choose from, I think he's doing an alright job. What I absolutely dont want is a stupid knee jerk reaction just because the fans want someone to blaime every time we lose a match. Football isn't an exact science, you cant buy a league or a promotion. Every game has to have a winner and a loser, i hate fans who think we have a define right to anything and then want to fire the manager every couple of months when we lose a few. Too many fans on here seem to come from the Al Fawaz school of football decisions. Just out of interest, where does Mel Morris sit in that argument? in less than 2 years, McClaren, Clement, Wassall, Pearson, McClaren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdave85 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 38 minutes ago, VulcanRam said: Just out of interest, where does Mel Morris sit in that argument? in less than 2 years, McClaren, Clement, Wassall, Pearson, McClaren. I've posted this elsewhere, but: Mac 1 : Sacked, performances and Newcastle shenanigans Clement: Sacked, performances were stated but potential shenanigans Wassall: Wasn't Sacked Pearson : Resigned pending investigation into shenanigans Depending your opinion on the Clement sacking (I think shenanigans, obviously by my post), MM has only sacked Mac once for performance based reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, mrdave85 said: I've posted this elsewhere, but: Mac 1 : Sacked, performances and Newcastle shenanigans Clement: Sacked, performances were stated but potential shenanigans Wassall: Wasn't Sacked Pearson : Resigned pending investigation into shenanigans Depending your opinion on the Clement sacking (I think shenanigans, obviously by my post), MM has only sacked Mac once for performance based reasons. Still think it was a shame Wassall wasn't given the job last summer in some respects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOUGH1971-72 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I think we should go down the foreign root. Defiantly not wassall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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