Tombo Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 16 hours ago, VulcanRam said: Wijnaldum was atrocious for Newcastle Does he not realise that his stock went up by £9m more in his Newcastle spell? You've got to question Liverpools transfer sense to have took that gamble on then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tombo said: You've got to question Liverpools transfer sense to have took that gamble on then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 23 hours ago, Derbyram1983 said: He's saved us from relegation this season. But I'd get someone new in in the summer. Bit of a change in players. And new ideas. How we haven't got one good striker out of all the money we have shelled out is unbelievable. We've changed players. We've changed managers. We loaned out our x3 season top scorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 18 hours ago, Inverurie Ram said: McClaren has highlighted a lack of quality in the final third against Burton. "We didn't have that quality. If we had been playing for the next two days, we still wouldn't have scored." And what message does that give out to the players SM?.......Faith, belief, confidence etc? How does that make them feel? going into the next game. If NC was to get lambasted by so many on here for having a go at players for giving the ball away so cheaply, and such players turning potential positive results into negative ones, what makes SM any different when he's doing it to the full team? If we were still playing Q.P.R at Wembley in the Play Off Final, we still wouldn't have scored either and that's when we had more quality, but not enough quality from the sidelines to make the necessary game plan or necessary changes throughout the game to push us on to win the game when it really mattered. We can stay as loyal as you like and back SM season after season, for as many seasons as we like, but those that are not seeing it or believing that he will get us promoted with his players or anybody else's players are now in a similar position to those that thought exactly the same of NC, that he wasn't going to get us promoted either etc. As for Clement or Pearson they didn't get the time. But look how much time Alex Ferguson got at Man Utd and how close he was to the sack before things realy took off, so what did SM learn under Alex Ferguson and when it gets tough how is he reacting? how will he react and when will our players at our football club start really reacting and giving what all of us really want, a winning, successful club.........and to be fair, none of us on this forum, know the right answer! Our problem was supposed to be the super leaky defence ... but this genius manager of ours with his keen eye saw it and said he would fix it in training (with good old fashioned hard work) so that we didn't give up 3 or more goals at home to Burton! Nice work Steve you did it! Clean sheet! Cha Ching ! Oh but wait, now he's identified a new problem - we don't know how to attack! Uh oh Back to the drawing board Stevie Mac. Bit it begs the question: can our manager fix one problem without creating the other one ? The plot thickens. lol How mcclaren finds and solves problems is good material for a children's storybook ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Your friend isn't a very good Newcastle fan then is he? Wijnaldum was their best player, and was among the leading goal scoring misfielders in the league. Atrocious? Yeah he was that bad Liverpool then shelled out nearly 30m for him last summer. Shelvey may have been hit and miss. But hes their best player now, and considering how young he is, and the current market, they got him at a decent price. Townsend almost kept them up, amd had it not been for a stupid clause, they would have made a solid profit on him. Mitrovic and Mbemba are still young, and given their attributes still have plenty to offer. If Mitrovic was out of his depth, you could argue the same for most of the signings prior to McClaren going there. Saivet and Thauvin were gambles, though considering they came from France, Im not sure they were even McClaren signings. Going back, I dont know what your friend found so funny. Newcastle made terrible signings prior to McClaren going there and his signings were their best players last season. How many Newcastle games did you watch last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ninos said: How many Newcastle games did you watch last season? A fair few. It was my job to keep tabs on them. My opinion is only that. McClaren didnt do well there, Im not denying that. But to blast his signings or say he wasted money is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Ninos said: Our problem was supposed to be the super leaky defence ... but this genius manager of ours with his keen eye saw it and said he would fix it in training (with good old fashioned hard work) so that we didn't give up 3 or more goals at home to Burton! Nice work Steve you did it! Clean sheet! Cha Ching ! Oh but wait, now he's identified a new problem - we don't know how to attack! Uh oh Back to the drawing board Stevie Mac. Bit it begs the question: can our manager fix one problem without creating the other one ? The plot thickens. lol How mcclaren finds and solves problems is good material for a children's storybook ... finding balance with an unbalanced squad is difficult. We will be better in both aspects when Chris Martin returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdave85 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Bris Vegas said: A fair few. It was my job to keep tabs on them. My opinion is only that. McClaren didnt do well there, Im not denying that. But to blast his signings or say he wasted money is odd. I always find it odd to blame the manager for any money spent, I assumed they'd more often than not identify the targets and it goes above them to decide how much that player is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, David said: Maybe, I just think any criticism should start with the players, the 11 on the pitch that continue to make mistakes. When I start to feel like he's not bringing in the right players, making the wrong team selections, tactics I will start looking towards the dugout when he comes down. Manager is always an easy target. Look back at the goals we conceded and ask yourself could McClaren have stopped that, if so how. Hoorah for common sense. I agree with this. The time when I question a manager is when I really can't see the logic of what he is trying to do. I may not agree with their logic, but it should still be fairly obvious to any football expert what they are broadly up to (as we all are on here obvs). Even if they aren't winning, you can generally see what they are trying to do, or hoping to do,even if it doesn't always come off. Once I can't see it, then it might be time to vent... but, for me there is too much premature venting going on. What will be, will be. There is a little caveat to this, of course, and that is when what they are trying to do is bore you to death or throw the baby out with the bathwater ala Clement and Pearson, but even then I wouldn't have gotten rid of either manager at the time we did for footballing reasons. [edited a bit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: finding balance with an unbalanced squad is difficult. We will be better in both aspects when Chris Martin returns Lol. Its just what Ninos is waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: A fair few. It was my job to keep tabs on them. My opinion is only that. McClaren didnt do well there, Im not denying that. But to blast his signings or say he wasted money is odd. I watched a lot (not in person) just because it was almost more entertaining to watch mcclaren bungle it up there than it was to watch us win. Reason being that it was to me a miracle verging on leicesters to actually get that super talented Newcastle team relegated - but hats off to mcclaren, he managed to do it. The reality is somewhere between what you and Vulcan are saying: he may have got good players but they did squat for him. He really didn't have the managerial ability to manage a premier league team. Constant panic, and that made the players seem poor too. But I'd concede that they were very good players for the most part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I'd like us to try something a bit different sometimes. I look at the top managers and their willingness to try players in different positions, Will Hughes as left sides ball playing centre back anyone? Worked for Mascherano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, David said: Maybe, I just think any criticism should start with the players, the 11 on the pitch that continue to make mistakes. When I start to feel like he's not bringing in the right players, making the wrong team selections, tactics I will start looking towards the dugout when he comes down. Manager is always an easy target. Look back at the goals we conceded and ask yourself could McClaren have stopped that, if so how. Right so he won't play Shackell for some reason. . He panics when we are losing re Johnson who had been playing in the winning run throwing his shirt down . What's that all about. He hasn't been seen since and you have De sart making 50 yard passes into touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 hours ago, curtains said: Mate I'm not opening this debate again sorry . Mac is at Derby for the foreseeable future as Mel and Sam have decided that . i can't add anymore other than to watch what develops. 14 minutes ago, curtains said: Right so he won't play Shackell for some reason. . He panics when we are losing re Johnson who had been playing in the winning run throwing his shirt down . What's that all about. He hasn't been seen since and you have De sart making 50 yard passes into touch. Said you didn't want to debate it earlier so left it at that, quite happy to reply if you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Your friend isn't a very good Newcastle fan then is he? Wijnaldum was their best player, and was among the leading goal scoring misfielders in the league. Atrocious? Yeah he was that bad Liverpool then shelled out nearly 30m for him last summer. Shelvey may have been hit and miss. But hes their best player now, and considering how young he is, and the current market, they got him at a decent price. Townsend almost kept them up, amd had it not been for a stupid clause, they would have made a solid profit on him. Mitrovic and Mbemba are still young, and given their attributes still have plenty to offer. If Mitrovic was out of his depth, you could argue the same for most of the signings prior to McClaren going there. Saivet and Thauvin were gambles, though considering they came from France, Im not sure they were even McClaren signings. Going back, I dont know what your friend found so funny. Newcastle made terrible signings prior to McClaren going there and his signings were their best players last season. Well he doesn't miss a game, sees them week in week out, home and away, so yes, I'd say he knows a whole lot more than you. That's what he found funny, someone who doesn't support Newcastle, never sees them and lives on the other side of the world, can pass judgement as fact. Like many Newcastle fans, he was delighted and astonished when Wijnaldum went to Liverpool for so much money, but he wasn't complaining. No possible way you can say Shelvey is their best player now, and that's him dropping down into the Championship. The others you don't have any argument for other than they are young, or gambles. Townsend we agreed on. Apart from him, none of those were great signings, which in part why they got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, David said: Said you didn't want to debate it earlier so left it at that, quite happy to reply if you want? Had to go out and the Mrs was waiting. So yea please reply lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Tombo said: Does he not realise that his stock went up by £9m more in his Newcastle spell? You've got to question Liverpools transfer sense to have took that gamble on then.... I do Tombo mate, I do. Probably because despite all that he had one season in the Premier League, and that's enough to skyrocket your value. But anyway, enough about Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, VulcanRam said: Well he doesn't miss a game, sees them week in week out, home and away, so yes, I'd say he knows a whole lot more than you. That's what he found funny, someone who doesn't support Newcastle, never sees them and lives on the other side of the world, can pass judgement as fact. What was his excuse for all the other failed Newcastle managers btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What was his excuse for all the other failed Newcastle managers btw? They're ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What was his excuse for all the other failed Newcastle managers btw? sorry, did you mean my mate or Bris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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