eddie Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 19 minutes ago, Anon said: Were they under the impression that we spoke Spanish over here when they agreed to move? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer it if the club did organise English lessons for overseas players, but I really don't think that someone on upwards of £10k/week paying for their own language classes is the dreadful imposition it's being made out to be. I see it as no different to (say) me taking on a role in another organisation and being asked to write programs in another language which I am not entirely familiar with, then my new employees expecting me to pay for my own training. If I am brought in as a consultant that's fair enough, but as a permanent employee, then it's definitely not the case. Albentosa was a permanent employee with a long-term contract. The club basically got Albentosa to buy out his own contract at Eibar in order to come over here, so desperately were they to bring him on board, so it is very likely that those negotiations would have been carried out either directly in Spanish or at least with an interpreter. Not because of where the negotiations took place but because of the nationality and native tongue of the person they were trying to head-hunt. It seems reasonable to me that the club should have done everything in their power to prevent him feeling isolated, but I suppose something along the way got 'lost in translation'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 32 minutes ago, eddie said: I see it as no different to (say) me taking on a role in another organisation and being asked to write programs in another language which I am not entirely familiar with, then my new employees expecting me to pay for my own training. If I am brought in as a consultant that's fair enough, but as a permanent employee, then it's definitely not the case. Albentosa was a permanent employee with a long-term contract. The club basically got Albentosa to buy out his own contract at Eibar in order to come over here, so desperately were they to bring him on board, so it is very likely that those negotiations would have been carried out either directly in Spanish or at least with an interpreter. Not because of where the negotiations took place but because of the nationality and native tongue of the person they were trying to head-hunt. It seems reasonable to me that the club should have done everything in their power to prevent him feeling isolated, but I suppose something along the way got 'lost in translation'. Well, Craig Bryson seems to have got on OK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Ninos said: This is a poor assessment. He came in and when given his first game he marshaled the 3 man defense well commanded the air and made good passes. He's a serious set piece threat unlike our current two centre halves who were utterly useless on our corner kicks. mclaren then left Raul out completely and when he returned we'd resorted to hoof tactics - something not suited to albentosa - and with little confidence he ended up looking poor, in the system. I would love to see him given another chance to crack the starting team. He can't keep impressing in la liga and be rubbish I seem to remember that he was left out as he had "forgotten to bring his insoles" and then he got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 29 minutes ago, eddie said: I see it as no different to (say) me taking on a role in another organisation and being asked to write programs in another language which I am not entirely familiar with, then my new employees expecting me to pay for my own training. If I am brought in as a consultant that's fair enough, but as a permanent employee, then it's definitely not the case. Albentosa was a permanent employee with a long-term contract. The club basically got Albentosa to buy out his own contract at Eibar in order to come over here, so desperately were they to bring him on board, so it is very likely that those negotiations would have been carried out either directly in Spanish or at least with an interpreter. Not because of where the negotiations took place but because of the nationality and native tongue of the person they were trying to head-hunt. It seems reasonable to me that the club should have done everything in their power to prevent him feeling isolated, but I suppose something along the way got 'lost in translation'. It is different. A full and intricate understanding of the programming language is required for you to do your job. Footballers only need to know enough of the language to communicate fairly basic instructions. Your scenario is more like signing Johnny Wilkinson because he's a good athlete and expecting him to learn how to play football on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Owen Bradley– @OwenBradley McClaren also reveals that Raul Albentosa is having back problems because he left his orthotic innersoles in Spain . . . #dcfcfans 6:36 am - 12 Feb 2015 27 RETWEETS39 LIKES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Raul came with the pressure of being the 'next stimac' well maybe not the next stimac but we all thought he was going to be the answer to our defensive problems. Some players need time to settle and adjust others hit the ground running. Ideally id like to see him given another go. We have a new management team, he's been out on loan and probably less expectation on him. If the club still feel he's good enough id say let him have another go. Obviously it has to be on the basis he's willing to give it another go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryram Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I say let Pearson decide after all that's his job MANAGER not head coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I just want to say, those of you mocking the fact that he needed 'special insoles' or whatever clearly have no idea what they're talking about. I don't like the way he's been presented as a weaker person because he can't play without the right type of shoe. He didn't ask to have raised arches, and yes, this can cause serious back problems if he wears regular insoles. Lots of people have this issue. It is incredibly stupid of him to leave them behind though, there's no doubt about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 My question is what was the player liaison officer doing during this time? That is surely his job to make sure the players come to the club and are assimilated into the group as quickly as possible. If Albentosa wasn't here under Clement, I can't see him being here for anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Anon said: It is different. A full and intricate understanding of the programming language is required for you to do your job. Footballers only need to know enough of the language to communicate fairly basic instructions. Your scenario is more like signing Johnny Wilkinson because he's a good athlete and expecting him to learn how to play football on his own. Yeh, but you have to bear in mind that footballers are at work like 4/5 hours a day... Plus there's the added pressure of trying to learn what tactics are being discussed, in an environment where everyone else is going to be talking a language you don't understand... It's going to be a bit isolating... Then having to go home and be even further isolated because at least at work you had a translator... Some people embrace that kind of challenge... Others don't... Shouldn't be any judgement in that... Would be quite interesting to poll the number of people on this board who've ever moved abroad to somewhere they don't speak the language to work in a firm which operates entirely in the native language... I doubt it would be many... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 5 hours ago, cheron85 said: Yeh, but you have to bear in mind that footballers are at work like 4/5 hours a day... Plus there's the added pressure of trying to learn what tactics are being discussed, in an environment where everyone else is going to be talking a language you don't understand... It's going to be a bit isolating... Then having to go home and be even further isolated because at least at work you had a translator... Some people embrace that kind of challenge... Others don't... Shouldn't be any judgement in that... Would be quite interesting to poll the number of people on this board who've ever moved abroad to somewhere they don't speak the language to work in a firm which operates entirely in the native language... I doubt it would be many... I work in Chesterfiled, I've got no idea what they're saying but I'm getting on OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 14 hours ago, TexasRam said: I work in Chesterfiled, I've got no idea what they're saying but I'm getting on OK They are likely asking you how you lost a finger off each hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Some of what we think might be true is just a load of insoles, surely. What is the Spanish for 'insoles'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 29 minutes ago, Rampage said: Some of what we think might be true is just a load of insoles, surely. What is the Spanish for 'insoles'? Plantillas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 57 minutes ago, richinspain said: Plantillas ? Donde estan las plantillas del Senor Albentosa, richinspain? Or similarish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just now, Rampage said: Donde estan las plantillas del Senor Albentosa, richinspain? Or similarish Supongo que en Málaga (very good @Rampage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, richinspain said: Supongo que en Málaga (very good @Rampage) Rampage...Que chico! Rampage...Que hombre! Rampage...What a guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The thing with the insoles that puzzled me was, why not a) get them sent next day by currier or b) get a set made up by a specialist here. We flew him over on a private jet FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 19 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The thing with the insoles that puzzled me was, why not a) get them sent next day by currier or b) get a set made up by a specialist here. We flew him over on a private jet FFS! It was obviously a euphemism. Problem with insoles - problem within arsole more like. Haemorrhoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteroseram Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Anyone know if the agreed price is in pounds or euros? If it's in euros might be worth accepting a small discount to force the deal through sooner whilst the exchange rate is how it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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