harryram Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Oh my god some clowns on here, the reason Keogh and Shackell forgot how to defend was because PC didn't drill it into them in training! There not at under 10s level. But I'm sure if clement had worked on defending for the whole week up to the game they wouldn't have forgotten how to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 If the season ended now, he'd be my POTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 What amuses me more than anything is that almost all the Keogh boo boys still maintain a massive raging stiffy for Shackell even though he was just as culpable, if not more so, for the poor defending last night and in recent games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Just now, Anon said: What amuses me more than anything is that almost all the Keogh boo boys still maintain a massive raging stiffy for Shackell even though he was just as culpable, if not more so, for the poor defending last night and in recent games. Shackell was atrocious last night completely affected by the "occasion" which is pathetic if you are bothered by going to play Burnley for goodness sake. He was at fault, along with Thorne and Keogh for the goals. All individual errors costing us the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 After they've both spent 20 years playing football and probably 10 years+ as defenders they forgot you can't handball it and how to tackle? And Paul Clement doesn't know how to coach? I think he might know a bit. His CV suggests he knows what he's doing. I don't imagine he's spent the week having them practice their dance moves. At the same time he probably didn't ask Thorne to jump in the air for no good reason, Keogh to head it in his own goal, Shackell to handball it. Probably didn't work on deflections either. Do you think Dyche had Keane practicing tackling and showed him how to head the ball with his forehead? Reckon they might be past that level, you know? Like I wouldn't expect to have to tell a 16 year old how to kick a ball. And these blokes are playing in the second tier of English football. That's pretty high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Capp Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 It seems to me Keogh plays well when he can rely on the other defenders to do their jobs and not have to worry about them. Last night he felt couldn't and put I his worst performance of the season. To me it's no coincidence it was also Shackell's worse performance and Christie wasn't great either... In the run in last season he didn't have a settled central defence partner and Christie was having his own crisis plus as captain he probably felt he had to split his focus between his own game and looking after the other 10 players.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Dai Capp said: It seems to me Keogh plays well when he can rely on the other defenders to do their jobs and not have to worry about them. Last night he felt couldn't and put I his worst performance of the season. To me it's no coincidence it was also Shackell's worse performance and Christie wasn't great either... In the run in last season he didn't have a settled central defence partner and Christie was having his own crisis plus as captain he probably felt he had to split his focus between his own game and looking after the other 10 players.. Don't think Christie had a bad game defensively, tbh can't remember Arfield or Boyd getting the better of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Dont see this as a hark back on questioning whether Keogh is generally good enough - simple fact was last night he was totally abysmal as was Shackell in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'll be back in 81 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Keogh has had a great season to be honest along with Shackel have probably been our best players. Last night came up against one of the best strikers in the league, there are more of this type in the prem. But only one or two in this division so should get back to their usual game from now on. I have no worries with them two this season. We have more pressing balance issues in front of them to sort out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayRam1 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 They were poor because Andre gray made them look like that they couldn't handle his pace and running at them. something what we are lacking very much of instead of playing to martins feet all the time and he either falls or gives it away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, JayRam1 said: They were poor because Andre gray made them look like that they couldn't handle his pace and running at them. something what we are lacking very much of instead of playing to martins feet all the time and he either falls or gives it away!! Agreed, if we had andre gray instead of martin then we'd walk this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 18 minutes ago, McLovin said: Agreed, if we had andre gray instead of martin then we'd walk this league Yeah reckon Gray would have buried all of them chances that Martin had created for him last night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Capp Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 hours ago, rynny said: Don't think Christie had a bad game defensively, tbh can't remember Arfield or Boyd getting the better of him. Definitely don't disagree - I just felt he seemed a little less decisive last night than normal but then IIRC all the goals originated down Derby's left so maybe it was just a full set of back 4 jitters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I didn't go to the Birmingham game, so you will have to forgive my ignorance, but he's probably been our best player this season. One highlighted game on Sky and he's back to being a liability? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm a Derby fan. I want what's best for the club. I am sure that means preventing opponents scoring in our net. I have zero confidence in this man and have had since Wembley. My heart sinks every time I see him run out and am getting used to him rolling his eyes or giving that hang dog look every time we pick the ball out of the net. He's already a marked man in defence but from now on he will be crucified by any centerforward with any pace or skill. He's blown it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I didn't go to the Birmingham game, so you will have to forgive my ignorance, but he's probably been our best player this season. One highlighted game on Sky and he's back to being a liability? Nope. it's the importance of the game though, you need to acknowledge that WHEN it COUNTS, he buckles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: it's the importance of the game though, you need to acknowledge that WHEN it COUNTS, he buckles. Really? It's a good job no one told him the Hull game was important then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 50 minutes ago, Ambitious said: Really? It's a good job no one told him the Hull game was important then. Come on don't be so facetious...the only important game to put fans are the ones we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Keogh and Shackell have played well enough to have a bad night. Most other nights would have been better, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Not read through all this so forgive if I am repeating........... I felt sorry for Keogh last night. He was having real problems with his mask. His face always runs with sweat and it was collecting inside it. Guess it was steaming up too. Saw him take it off to empty it and 'buckets full' ran out. He decided not to wear it in the second half......very brave for someone with a nose broken in 3 places. He must have felt exposed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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