duncanjwitham Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, HantsRam said: absolutely right......we have some very detailed and erudite analyses on here in various posts. You'd think that a material change of style might have been signalled by the management team - we're not complete idiots I feel. The other possibility of course is that the players signed are simply not delivering the results the analysis indicated. Its all a bit mystifying, but we're only half a season into PCs tenure. The thing is though, when we signed Johnson the Norwich fans were on here saying Johnson is good but he can't pass. And the Villa fans all said Weimann can't play out wide, he can only play as part of a front 2. And we all know from before that Shackell is slow and can't pass. There's nothing here that even needed analysis, it's obvious from 5 minutes watching the players involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 hour ago, StockholmRam said: If you can't pass a ball then you are not " a very good player" . A catchy little reply but I didn't say he couldn't pass I said his passing wasn't good ... Keogh can only pass with one foot but he's a brilliant player and Shackells passing leaves a lot to be desired - yet still a good player. Johnson is a very good player and for this league he's an excellent player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 18 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: The thing is though, when we signed Johnson the Norwich fans were on here saying Johnson is good but he can't pass. And the Villa fans all said Weimann can't play out wide, he can only play as part of a front 2. And we all know from before that Shackell is slow and can't pass. There's nothing here that even needed analysis, it's obvious from 5 minutes watching the players involved. Very succinct analysis, Ninos, no graphs or other statistics required. Also you look a bit like Bradley Johnson on his day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Ennui Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Brad's head obviously isn't quite right at the moment. Football fans have very short memories. I just had a look at an email I sent to a friend back in October: Quote Before Bradley Johnson joined Derby: Played: 5 Wins: 0 Draws: 4 Losses: 1 Since joining: Played: 6 Wins: 5 Draws: 1 Losses: 0 Scored and set up a goal yesterday. An instant hit thanks to his aggressive playstyle and attitude. He seems to lift the rest of the team. Let's not forget what an absolute beast he was for us. He wasn't lucky for 6 games in a row, he was genuinely great. Buttefield took more time to settle and the above results were largely impacted by Johnson's good form at the time. I'm sure he'll get that form back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumblemumble Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Johnson is being played out of position, he's know it, we know it, just hope Clement realises soon. The goal against Brum and the goal against Reading highlighted is defensive frailty. Give him a few games as an attacking mid of as a left winger and we might actually get to see the real Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Ninos said: A catchy little reply but I didn't say he couldn't pass I said his passing wasn't good ... Keogh can only pass with one foot but he's a brilliant player and Shackells passing leaves a lot to be desired - yet still a good player. Johnson is a very good player and for this league he's an excellent player Very good and brilliant players to me are ( in Derby terms) Igor Stimac, David Nish, Charlie George, John Gregory, Mark Wright, Colin Todd, Eranio... Few more into that list if I'd time. Id have to say not only Bradley Johnson but most of our current crop have some way to go to be described as " brilliant" mate to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbados Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Absolute garbage again tonight, aimless hoofs to nobody, controlled a ball on his chest in a dangerous position that bounced about 20 yards off him. I am. Seriously starting to think he has a clause that he must play? Are Hendrick and Butters worse than that? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Was it Bradley or butters who did a really feeble sort of jump past the ball in the build up down our left for the cross that created keoghs og? They were both wearing orange boots so couldn't tell. Not to say that the outcome would have been different but it just looked so half hearted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Why sign a left midfielder who was in the form of his life and bang him in centre mid? The ******* logic baffles me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I like Bradley Johnson, but his decision making on the ball at times is baffling. Some really poor, ambitious passes tonight that were never going to come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedcfc Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 65% pass completion tonight after the 63% against Birmingham. Bearing in mind he makes a good proportion of very simple 5-10 yard passes thats shocking. His scooped ball into the corner to be chased is infuriating. I agree that he adds much needed bite to our midfield but he's seriously out of form at the moment and needs to be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Just now, Stedcfc said: 65% pass completion tonight after the 63% against Birmingham. Bearing in mind he makes a good proportion of very simple 5-10 yard passes thats shocking. His scooped ball into the corner to be chased is infuriating. I agree that he adds much needed bite to our midfield but he's seriously out of form at the moment and needs to be dropped. Or... played in his best position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedcfc Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Ambitious said: Or... played in his best position. Agreed, but we were under no illusions what formation we'd be playing when we signed him for a record fee. Playing him as the holding midfielder in a midfield 3 or in a 4-2-3-1 is even more bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Stedcfc said: Agreed, but we were under no illusions what formation we'd be playing when we signed him for a record fee. Playing him as the holding midfielder in a midfield 3 or in a 4-2-3-1 is even more bizarre. I think we should just give him a run out in left midfield. He has played his whole career as a fairly decent central midfielder, found a manager who had the foresight to play him on the left and helped him produce the best season of his career. He then gets a move, which ultimately sees him go back to being a central midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Stedcfc said: 65% pass completion tonight after the 63% against Birmingham. Bearing in mind he makes a good proportion of very simple 5-10 yard passes thats shocking. His scooped ball into the corner to be chased is infuriating. I agree that he adds much needed bite to our midfield but he's seriously out of form at the moment and needs to be dropped. The whole transfer was a bit too "ooh, I want that one!" for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Thorne Hendrick Butterfield Johnson Ince Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I think we should just give him a run out in left midfield. He has played his whole career as a fairly decent central midfielder, found a manager who had the foresight to play him on the left and helped him produce the best season of his career. He then gets a move, which ultimately sees him go back to being a central midfielder. To be fair, a 4-4-2 seems like the only way to get any kind of utility out of Bent, Weimann and Blackman. I'd consider playing Martin and Bent together and see what happens. Ince and Camara/BJ at RM and LM and Thorne and Butterfield in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, philmycock said: Tit Tbf mate, Dawnie has loads more experience than us on clubs spending vast amounts of money for little return. If we continue spending like this for another 5 or 6 years without success we'll be well and truly in Gumpsville territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Looked like Savage tonight. Good player but he's counter productive right now. We get the ball moving and it's either him or Cyrus that can't see the next pass. We either get the Savage round the corner hoof or Cyrus dancing until everybody has lost their advantage. Can't afford two of them at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Bradley Johnson is not the problem. Seriously! We are toothless upfront. This is the problem. Ince once again shocking, I think he is a waste of money, if we cant get the best out of him, lets change to direct system with wingers like camera and 2 upfront who can combine and be a threat. Tonight was the biggest indication that we are good in midfield but not good enough where it counts in both boxes... which is where the game is won or lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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