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50 minutes ago, Indy said:

It would be just as easy to dismiss your viewpoint by saying you’ve been brainwashed by Steve Gibson and the EFL. 
 

The fact remains that the administrators think there is a reasonable case to be considered by an independent panel - unless they’ve been brainwashed by Mel too?

Oh come on indy and pete, why are people even buying covid as an excuse.

That is all it is, an excuse. It is like murdering 10 people and saying that you were out of control because you had 1 pint before hand.

we were in the ditch before covid even came about, we are NOT in administration because of Covid. If people chose to believe that then fine but it's a load of absolute crap.

The only change from NOW and PRE COVID was the interest of Mel Morris. How can anybody believe any other story.

3 hours ago, metalsheep02 said:

Mel is a fan so hopefully he feels that he can attend when it suits him going forward.

why should he? he has put the club at risk of going into liquidation, he should never be welcome back at the club.

1 hour ago, jono said:

Not logical ! Wrong ! 
 

That’s like saying the glass broke when it hit the floor. Sure if did, but Covid knocked it off the shelf. 

no disrespect friend but you have been brainwashed by Mel and his cronies. covid hasn't caused any other football club in england to go in administration, what muespachram has said is FACT. we are in administration because of years of wreckless spending and then Mel decided hes had enough, covid is not an excuse. 

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Despite the fact that the administrators have said proof of funding, and a deposit of £5m would be required to enter into negotiations.

Are you expecting him to post you a personal bank statement?

Having proof of funding and having funding are completely different things. Erik Alonso had proof of funding and it came from somebody else putting money in his bank account. He was going to pay for the club through loans, which is the same thing the american is alledgedly going to do. So what is the difference?

I am sorry that I am concerned that his main business has significantly less turnover than Derby County itself. Happy to be called negative but for me you have to be critical otherwise you are happy clapping your way into liquidation.

There will be lots of vultures circling seeing a cheap way to own a football club with no regards for its history or going forward, just in it to make a quick £. WE have to make sure the new owner will be right for the club otherwise we will be in the same situation a few years down the line, passing the club from one crook to another

the administrators wont care who they sell it too as long as they get paid. we HAVE to be critical

barnsley managed sacked, perfect timing! NOT

Just now, PistoldPete said:

But they already plan to give us points deduction for overspending.  If EFL have their way we would get 21 points deducted.

I know, that is one of the reasons i am not overly enthused by them appealing this one when for me the money should be put elsewhere

4 minutes ago, Indy said:

I’d suggest reading the other threads that set out exactly why our argument is that our position is significantly different to other clubs that have avoided administrators being called in. If we get the 12 points reduced or rescinded, and between 4 and 9 points for any P&S breach, I think we have a decent chance of staying up. Remember we are a mid-table team (by form) who would be able to strengthen the squad (a little) in January if a new owner is in place. 

My problem with the blaming of covid is no other club has gone into administration throughout the covid period. you may have a case if several have, but it is just us - it is years of wreckless spending until mel decided to pull the plug that is the reason. NOT covid.

There is no chance all 12 will be rescinded, absolute zero chance

6 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

I can see your reasoning, but the administrators wouldn’t allow his interest to progress without proof of funds. I think Erik showed Mel a gold brick and a handful of nuts, in tribute to Stan Laurel.

that is true no doubt. They will have done their due dilligence surely.

Just me being paranoid and all in my own head, it's okay having access to money, it doesn't mean he is using that to buy the club. It could easily be a case of the glazers or burnleys new owners structure of buying a club which is what the americans like to do. that would be a disaster for us, you are just swapping debt for more debt.

The capital companies want return on their investment, if they don't get it they will find a way to get it. they don't care about the heritage of a football club.

3 hours ago, plymouthram said:

It's our Administrators that's pushed an appeal through against the 12 points, so they must know we have a good case to appeal. Surely they would'nt be wasting our miserly funds on a case that does not have a chance of coming out in our favour. Looks as if the EFL want to lock the gate firmly shut knowing that we might make ground on this appeal. Stopping any others winning appeals and making them look unprofessional (which they are).

Do we have a good case to appeal or is it a case of them going "why not?"

For me the money should have been spent elsewhere and used to preserve jobs, I just cannot see a world in which we stay up. So we somehow win this admin appeal (which is all based on covid - something every other club has dealt with in the whole EFL), then we get another deduction anyway for all the legal issues over the past few years and we are worse off than before the appeal anyway. And that is best case scenario here.

The priority is making sure this club survives and is on it's way to become sustainable, all your doing if you throw everything at trying to somehow keep us up is attracting owners that are going to run us like a toy anyway, like this yank that seems desperate to take us over despite having no evidence of being able to fund us.

39 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Barnsley have sacked their manager it seems - maybe a good thing maybe not 

Will be a big negative for us if he is sacked

my other half is a big barnsley fan, in her own words he has sucked the life out of most of the players and fans there. It is not official yet hopefully they hold out for another game, I am certain we will win if he is in charge in the week.

I don't want to be negative about another potential incoming owner but there are lots of red flags surrounding him that we had similarly with erik alonso. 

For a start his main company is nowhere close to being big enough to be able to fund a football club, especially one that needs so much money putting into it. 

Secondly the man, judging from his tweets he seems like another man child that craves attention - not a serious businessman.

For me he screams front man for somebody else, which is always slightly concerning

Maybe my take is not a popular one but for me the administrators need to face the task ahead with realism, they are just sounding like a pound shop mel morris in everything they have said and done so far.

Just now, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

League 1 a lot less attractive. Could be down there for ever. Need to fight any points deduction if possible. 

we have a skeleton squad and ffp troubles (the next accounting period may also lead to deductions). a club in the championship will still have to spend money to compete again, league 1 may slow the proccess but it will also mean a cheaper club and let them mould it in their own way and time.

what makes us an attractive club is lowering the stupid price a buyer has to pay with very little to show for it.

we all may have different opinions on this but i really think people are wrong (and the administrators) when they put so much weight in what division we are going to be in. 

i am not sure what to think eccles the ram. 

it is a worrying time for the club and hopefully 2022 will be a better year. it will give us as a fan base a massive lift if a new owner comes in and gives the club some security. that is all i really want.

if Derby county is playing championship or league one football next season with a new owner then i will be delighted, as deep down i think we all fear the worst may happen.

The name is irrelevant. The background of the person is irrelevant.

Mel was the dream owner in many ways, but he has done more damage than anybody in it's history.

All I want from an owner is for them to give me something to be proud off, a relatable team that tgives their all every week. Stop chasing unrealistic dreams, if it means we have to overachieve to get to the Premier League then so be it. Run the club properly and stop this casino style running off my club. That is all I want from an owner.

6 hours ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

If Derby is successful it could be the difference between relegation and staying up. Don't see how its ludicrous if they think there is a strong case.

you are chasing results on the pitch. It is the exact reason we are in the mess in the first place.

administrators should be focusing on sorting the club off the pitch, and on the pitch will sort itself out.

Championship or league one, we are not an attractive club to buy regardless.

3 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

I think a buyer would be happy to spend 300k trying to reduce the points so we have more chance of staying up which will result in more income being in the Champ over League 1

do we know it's that much? are the grounds we are appealing on actually worth persuing? we are going to have to recoup that money from somewhere. 

300k here, 300k there, it all adds up. the club is in a mess, if they want to find buyers they need to get the buyer the lowest price possible. If they are just adding cost after cost in a futile attempt to keep us in a division which we are doomed to go down in then it's a waste of resources.

just my opinion, sorry if i seem all doom and gloom but i do not trust these administrators. I didnt think the squad was good enough to even compete this season, a good first few months dont really change the huge hole we have in the playing squad - once we go on a bad set of results will we recover? we are looking at a playoff season to even stay in the division and this is a weaker set of players that rooney kept up with the skin of their teeth.

5 hours ago, Crewton said:

Do you imagine that relegation, which you seem to be advocating, wouldn't result in even more job losses, nor threaten the future existence of the club?

The blasé way in which some fans seem to want the Club/Administrators to simply roll over and accept whatever punishment the EFL want to mete out, in some cases mainly (it seems) because they're "bored with it all" is quite staggering. 

Unlike Wigan, DCFC's case is based on a full season of heavily impacted revenues. The argument that the owner could simply have made up the difference, or that he shouldn't have allowed the club to get into financial difficulties in the first place doesn't negate the impact of the pandemic.

I expect it to fail, because such a precedent is the last thing the EFL would want, but I'm pleased they're willing to try it, if only to keep our season alive.

I know we all have hope because of our excellent start but that's exactly what it is. When the results sour in the busy winter period then what? For me it's about using the little money we have wisely, appealing points deductions is not good use of resources. What if the appeal fails? oh it's okay, the tea lady can go - that should cover it. It is a waste of money, we will be incredibly lucky to stay up even without any deductions.

9 minutes ago, Mckram said:

Anyone arguing that appealing is a waste of money and we should have used it for those that have been made redundant need to realise that without appealing there’s a good chance more jobs will be lost if we end up in league 1. If we stay in the Championship by a point or 2 because of a won appeal, then we’re protecting more jobs in the longer term and those that lost jobs may possibly get them back.

Despite our excellent results so far this squad isnt good enough to stay in this division, you throw in a points penalty whatever it may be, i am sure we will have more penalties coming.

it's a complete waste of time and resources. we should be planning life for league one and that should be along the lines of savouring every penny we have - not fighting stupid legal battles. So if its not staff that are suffering, we are gonna have to pay that bill with a player sale in january anyway.

1 hour ago, DCFC1388 said:

I could be wrong but wouldnt any of these fees just be added to the cost of the administrators which get paid off by the new owners? 

Plus, IF we were successful, there is more chance of getting these people their jobs back whereas relegation is likely to result in more job losses.

So you are just adding more costs to the buyer of the club, it is already a massively unappealing purchase.

I dont get what the hell they are doing personally, stop wasting the clubs already tiny amount of money.

it seems to me we are attracting the businessmen that want a blank canvas and that are used to buying failing businesses.

the main difference for me is there is a big difference between a failing business and a failing football club.

i wouldnt be as against ashley as some, as much as he is hated by the toon he has run their club sensibly and they have never had any financial troubles. we certainly wouldnt see a repeat of mel.

for me whoever the next owner is they will buy the club to sell on anyway, buy it cheap, sort it out, sell it on to a foreign investor for a hansome profit.

37 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

May as well appeal, the worst is 12 for admin + 9 for p&s, so new possible owners will know that already.

An appeal means it could go from 21 overall to 15, which we have overtuned 14 of already.

There is no doubting covid has had a huge impact on our income, whether that is 5m or 20m, had we received that money we may have stayed out of admin, how much we were losing a month/year before covid is irrelevant as the club still didnt go into administration then.

Good to see 4 groups (Evans, Moxey consortium, Brit abroad & then Carlisle Group) mentioned with then maybe Ashley & possibly the Gary Cook group who have been sniffing around since Alonso. Shows we are still an attractive club to buy.

This isnt about points it's about jobs of people and the club existing in the future. a pointless appeals process where we waste more valuable money is criminal.

even if we are successful, we may have to sell players to fund the legal case anyway! it is ludicrous!

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

Only reason the admins do it is because they think it increases the sale proceeds. That’s more money for the creditors who are losing out 

but it is not going to make a difference is it? even if the deduction was completely wiped we are still not in a secure place in the championship, as said above, it seems like a ridiclous waste of money that could be used elsewhere.

we have had pointless legal battles to no avail for years and years now, it's time to pack it in and focus going forward. 

i must admit i am not impressed at all with how the administrators have conducted themselves so far

I think we all see the way Mel operates behind the scenes properly in the dealing with this.

No class and just pure ruthless - the same reason he has run the club in the ground and we face admin or worse to come.

again, i question the truth of anything those administrators say. if there were so many credible parties interested why an earth would you post an email address to twitter.

massively worrying