alram

Just now, Reggie Greenwood said:

What untruths ? Please list them 

what have they said that has been the truth?

the only time they have spoken they have said a bunch of stuff people want to hear, not the reality of the situation. 

I am seriously worried, we will either end up with a complete crook as our owner or worse go out of business.

what have they done so far to make us more appealing to a buyer?

1 minute ago, r4derby said:

How many have genuinely felt we would stay up this season? Lots had hope, but all the uncertainty made it impossible to be sure.

My view was as soon as the administration was confirmed, we were down. Even before the season I felt it would be a hard watch and slow descent to league 1. This news just confirms all those emotions.

However, this team have already performed way above my expectations. Blackburn was not a good watch, but I expected that the be the norm, so can accept games like that. And we didn’t even get smashed, even keeping it close at the end. This lot have shown they will scrap and fight more often than not.

League 1 will be tough. But give us a team that plays with heart and desire, and the fans will turn up. The fans have been pretty much sensational this season. As a North stander, I’ve had nothing but pride watching them sing (and bounce).

Rooney has done an amazing job even giving us belief. Our squad is terrible, the deductions make it impossible

1 minute ago, Tamworthram said:

Presumably because we don't have a crystal ball and didn't know the appeal was going to fail.

it doesn't take a fortune teller though does it tamworthram? there was never any details about an appeal, apart from they planned to blame it on covid which is nothing but an excuse

4 minutes ago, Orphanram said:

Looking at it positively 
If we’d have gone down last season we’d be staring down the barrel at L2

Norwich, Leeds, Leicester and  Sheffield United have all been down to L1 and are in or have been up to the EPL

Hopefully we will end up in a scenario where the results of our last two games could really impact a club we don’t like and we will start Forsyth in both games (I like Fozzy really).

Shinnie will be the League 1 Pirlo. 

The Easdale’s will have a clear run at the takeover following a Chris Kirchner tweet declaring his love for Wigan Athletic and following it up with another tweet about how much he hates Widnes.

i have been saying for a while that we need to start planning for league one. The comments from the administrators about giving rooney everything possible to survive this season were making me face palm. The writing was always on the wall this season, we have to take the clairty as a positive and start planning for the future for once. 

2 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

So after all these weeks & months in talks with the EFL we end up with the 9 point deduction anyway. What an absolute waste of time. Also shows that there is no point talking with the EFL as they wont change from what they want.

So what does this mean about the integrity of the league this year, we have played 17 games where for the most part showed some fight and gave opposition a good game, whereas now we may as well blood the youngsters ready for next season or go all out attack. Complete different mentality for these remaining games than the first set.

Or does it show that we can't talk our way out of every situation like we like to think so?

I will just be glad when we know what is happening for once. These last few years have been agony

26 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

The administrators job is to act for the creditors. They need to negotiate with EFL over a number of different things that will help to protect the creditors interest if it all falls into place... including bringing in a buyer for the club. 

These guys know what they are doing.

 

 

So you keep saying pistoldpete, to be honest i am not convinced the decisions they have made so far have been particularly good

Just now, Reggie Greenwood said:

My understanding is that the money has been provided by one of the interested parties and not via “club” funds 

if that is the case I have no issues with the appeal then

although does that turn into debt if he doesn't buy the club?

hopefully the waste of time appealing in the first place hasn't cost us much money. Money that could have gone towards saving jobs.

Just now, B4ev6is said:

Or we get all 12 points back that were wrongly taken.

oh come on, they were not wrongly taken. We got put into administration because our owner put us into administration.

or shall we go back to the good old days when there were no points deductions for administration and every team exploited it?

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We made some good chances today. Knighty really should have done better with a couple of chances and so should Baldock. They will get better, both of those two score goals and will do again. Lawrence too. Sometimes it just takes a change of luck for the belief to change and then the confidence and then the chances. #COYR

yes friend, not complaining about the performance at all. my general point is we are going to have to recruit in january if we are going to hit the points required to stay up. with the current crop of players we will keep missing those chances. They are simply not good enough

Our top scorer is Curtis Davies with TWO goals, after 17 games!!!

Whatever way you paint that it is a side desperately lacking any kind of quality, the good performances probably make it worse because it means we are set up right.

3 minutes ago, Ken Tram said:

But the current squad seemed capable of beating Millwall today.

I am not saying that having a goal scorer wouldn't help, but we seemed quite good at attacking.

Even though we would be 20th without a points deduction, we are not a relegation team.

yep, we were completely capable but as i say, with more quality you turn draws into wins and losses into draws.

The overall picture speaks for itselfs, we are 3rd lowest scorers not because of the way we set up but because we have no quality. It was not much different last year when we were lowest scorers with probably better strikers than we have now.

We are not playing like a relegation team but we have the quality of a relegation team.

7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

I don't even agree with that. The players we have are playing well the majority of games - where would we really be in the league? Also you can see that the youngsters are getting more experience, Knighty is starting to hit his stride. Bielik might give us a lift. Baldock is getting better as he gets more games, his movement up front was better. Stretton is scoring again. CKR is fit. ...

For me us playing well is an even bigger indicater we need better players. Playing well but continually getting nothing to show for it, players win games with quality, we simply don't score enough goals to think about staying in the division.

It is okay performing well but when it comes down to it, it's quality that gets you the most points. We will need it in Jan if we are to stand a chance. Like i say Rooney is getting the most he can out of these players, he will need help from the powers that be.

Soccer saturday is like a match day ritual for me when we play away. I always tune in and it is like sitting in the pub with your mates talking rubbish, at least it was like that with the old lineup. Even if they do talk rubbish it's just that and it's easy watching and light hearted. Just a group of mates sitting around a table talking about football.

The new lineup is just not the same at all. It is clear they are not mates and you can tell with the chemistry, i feel sorry for Jeff. Clinton morrison, lee hendrie, kris boyd? Just truly awful, none of them can even speak properly without stuttering and have no level of english to get their point across - something you would expect when your job is to talk.

I also agree that it is a great opportunity for somebody to reunite the old panel. I for one wont be watching sky when jeff leaves this season, Soccer Saturday is pretty much the only reason i have my subscription.

For me the sooner tv companies realise people want what is popular, and not token appointments - i think we will see it with the numbers and over time this terrible trend will go.

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

Tell me no teams have gone on a post-Christmas run and made up points? We've still got games against the teams in the mix. We're mostly playing well, showing good skill and good endeavour. The luck needed will soon also be ours. #COYR

You are right but we need quality as well as luck, this squad as it stands will not stay up - we will need a takeover done asap to even stand a chance however none of the candidates are very encouraging to me.

1 hour ago, SirBrian said:

CKR and Baldock as the clock stopped!!! both have never been prolific goal scorers in their careers and they will not score enough goals to keep us up. 

Pele was playing at 17 if you are good enough you PLAY, Stretton needs a good run of games and good service and do believe Sibley alongside him would prove more of a goal threat than CKR and Baldock, they both must start the games, not come on for the last 10 mins

exactly brian, not rocket science is it. If you have good players you get good results, for me rooney is getting oas much as he can out of this group of players

another game where we are playing to our limits, a great performance today and we were well worth a point.

the main worry is we are 9 points from safety but that is not the fault of rooney or the players.

1 hour ago, Topram said:

Unfortunately the position the club finds itself in it’s likely most potential bidders will be dodgy in some way!

Cheers Mel, at least he is a fan of the club though!

2 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

Firstly, let me state, that I am pleased we have appealed. However, against my better judgment in partial defence of @alram it’s not a simple choice of one or the other. Spending £300,000 on the appeal doesn’t automatically avoid the losses incurred as a result of relegation. We may lose the appeal or win it and still get relegated. There is therefore a third scenario costing the club c£6,300,000.
 

If it’s a forlorn hope (none of us have seen the actual case submitted) then the £300,000 would have been better spent on protecting jobs (even if only for the rest of this season) but the administrators are not fools and, I assume, have not just appealed to appease the fans. They must believe it’s an appeal worth making. A frivolous appeal costing £300,000 would hardly be acting in the best interests of creditors or staff. This is the point Alram is failing or refusing to accept.

exactly! This is my point here, we are very unlikely to survive even with a few points off a deduction (the best we can hope for?)

You are just adding costs to the club, and they will probably have to be recouped in January anyway. The job of the administrator is to make the club as cheap as possible, even if it was the case it's the difference between Champ / League One, you are going to have to wait until next year to find out - and by that time if no takeover is done player sales will have had to happen anyway!

so both the easdale brothers and the malaysian backer have served jail time?

and i took some stick earlier for saying our situation attracts conmen and crooks!!!

3 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

You could always try another thread mate. TBH, I'd wager a few are 'sick to death' of you posting the same thing dozens of times a day too.

3 hours ago, Gaspode said:

I was thinking more along the lines of another forum rather than another thread to be honest - I haven’t got many folk on ignore, but we have a top candidate here….

you may well give me personal abuse i don't really care, at the end of the day it's my opinion and i care deeply about Derby county. Everything i say is from my heart and I apologise if it rubs people up the wrong way but i simply have to get it off my chest. i feel that too many have tribal attitudes and are defending the undefendable, fans aren't stupid - for me we have been taken for idiots for too long now

again apologies if it seems i am being out of order

1 hour ago, sage said:

Absolutely? You can say with certainty?

Post Lampard we were reducing costs but sadly Covid reduced income. There is also the impact on trying to sell the club. To say it has nothing to do with covid when income has been drastically reduced is frankly ridiculous. 

 

In what way were we cutting costs? Post lampard we signed rooney on huge wages, and almost over 10 million for bieliek and jozwiak. and please don't come to me saying it was in installments, you still have to pay it.

I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE people have actually brought the COVID BS. it is unbelievable to me people are that naive, and it's naive to think the authorities will be that way inclined too. we are the ONLY club that has gone into admin "because of covid", just happens that we were pissing away money the years before that - but that has nothing to do with it! It is like when we were the only club in the country to not sell season tickets "because of covid", you ever think there is more to it? it is widely laughed at across the football world that we are blaming it on covid.

for the love of god people, wake up! I am sick to death of all this off field nonsense and defending people that have no right to be defended. the club has been run into the ground, stop making excuses for them.

Just now, PistoldPete said:

We do but the admin team are challenging that too.

May as well start challenging everything pete, never mind the football. lets just take every result and referee decision to the courts instead.

we may well be challenging it, but it's going to happen

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

I think the administrators would be better placed to know what Derby’s projected cash flows were before COVID struck compared with what actually happened. And what the prospects of an insolvency event would otherwise have been.They are better qualified , being insolvency practitioners after all and they have access to the books. 
 

I suggest that the fact that a professional firm in that situation making the appeal that they are may well mean they don’t entirely agree with your statement. And frankly I will go with their judgement , not yours if you don’t mind.

that's fine, you can go with their judgement - just don't assume people you know nothing about can do no wrong. 

1 hour ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

It could be the difference between relegation and staying up! 

i admire your optimism but i don't see it coming that close. don't forget we have another deduction coming as well.