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1 minute ago, DerbyRam! said:

Isn't today the day the players contract expires?

So if not done still today and contracts extended urgently, we've lost all of those players for sure who can now leave on free's?

according to Maguire a lot will be due loyalty bonsuses tomorrow after their contract expires

at the end of the day whether they expire today and next week they will all be looking elsewhere. not being negative that’s the reality

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

Someone (a L**ds fan ffs!) posted that there's an MSD loan secured against Moor Farm (lease?), maybe those two?

if m*l doesn’t get a good deal he could drag his heels. isn’t he the one who has to sign off any deal? as far as I know he still owns moor farm

the efl statement mentions it needs cooperation of  “third parties”who is that I wonder 

When will the nightmare end

28 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

I do hope Ed Dawes gets to break the news.

 

i hope so too

too many people have given him abuse for reporting facts, i bet he is sick to death of it. i know other journalists think the same. 

40 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Because you said  “deadline” again. ?

I agree, some of the earlier expectations have proved to have been optimistic (to put it mildly) but this does seem to have been realistic. They might have been wiser to say “before the end of the week”.

i dont know why people are so worked up about a deadline.

thats what it is. whatever way you paint it.

if my builder says my patio will be built by the 1st of july, thats a deadline. you may miss it but its still a deadline.

7 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I give up.

why? its a relevenat point isnt it

if they dont have certainty dont set deadlines for people

i am sick to the back teeth of being told it will happen on X date then nothing happens

we have been on this day many times

but like others have said it feels like a reliable guy is here now

if it doesn’t happen the alarm bells will start ringing

3 minutes ago, CBX1985 said:

I wouldn't worry too much. I think it would do too much damage to the Clowes Development name to fall through on this.  Not like CK; DC has skin in the game.   

yes i agree completely. 

clowes has too much to lose for this to fall through now. not only the ground but also his reputation which is sad to say but thats the nature of the beast.

people like kirchner didnt give a toss because he could just disappear back to america.

2 minutes ago, Crewton said:

Because if they didn't, they'd be bombarded with messages from fans asking "WHEN'S THE DEADLINE?!?!?" 

who cares? when it goes past the deadline they are bombared with messages anyway.

if you cant guarentee meeting a deadline then dont set one

would have thought they would have learnt that by now

2 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

FFS. How many times? It’s not a deadline, it’s an expectation.

if thats the case then dont say anything.

why do they continue to put deadlines out whether they expect it or not.

i cant wait till this is all over to be honest

they also own young players like johnson and worrall who are there best players.

our foundations were built on sand,  when we didnt go up we lost all squad value. if they hadnt gone up they would have sold them two for about 20 million.

i am advocating using the loan market. just build a young squad and not invest heavily in old players

9 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Also, filling the squad out with loans is the opposite of not looking to the next transfer window and is by definition the short term-ism you’re arguing against. Loans can add quality, I’m all for them, but arguing against short term fixes then promoting loans as the answer doesn’t stack up for me.

No but you are minimising costs, loans are given for player development and there could be a pathway to sign them.

hourihane / chester is doing nothing apart from costing the club a lot of money at the chance they might win a game.

29 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Based on looking at the accounts for every club in the division next season ?

Derby are a massive club by L1 standards. Top 6 revenues in 22/23:
1. Derby - £18m
2. Sheff Weds - £14m
3. Portsmouth - £12.7m
4. Ipswich - £11.2m
5. Bolton - £9.3m
6. Charlton - £9m

Portsmouth will have a wage budget of less than £8m... just 44% of our estimated revenue!

thats our revenue as a championship club. not a league one club, there will be a big difference

16 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

This isn't Football Manager. You need a blend of youth and experience, not just a squad of 23 players under the age of 23.

We will likely go into next season with at least 11 players aged 21 or younger even before we make a signing. [Foulkes, Cashin, Bardell, Buchanan, Bird, Knight, Sibley, Thompson, Watson, Stretton and Sibley]. They need experience around them to learn off. It's a major reason behind how we did as well as we did last season, with Davies, Stearman, Jagielka, Kazim, Shinnie, Baldock being the experienced players in the dressing room helping the youngsters around them.
It's why Man Utd field Paul McShane in U23 games despite being 36. Brighton field a 35 year old at CM for their U23s. 26 year old Baker for Chelsea. 32 year old Lancashire for Southampton.

who said anything about building a team under the age of 23?

we already have experience in the squad if we sign up the likes of curtis, stearman and kazim.

i just think we should avoid big earners that are old and only on the decline. it is not that much of a outrageous claim is it?

5 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Let’s look at one of the rumoured players in isolation.
Hourihane is 31, he’s not quite at the end of his career. Realistically he could have another 3/4/5 years in him. He has captained sides in the past, experienced promotions from league one to the championship and from the championship to the premier league. He’s played at league one, championship and premier league level. His injury record is pretty much non-existent, and he’s scored goals and assisted goals throughout his career.

It is widely reported we will not be in a position to offer “big” wages and as a free agent Hourihane will be on a weekly sum of £0 per week until he does sign for a new club. 

What is it other than a number on a page that you have against this as a potential signing? We’ve signed plenty of players in the past in the twilight of their careers (which Hourihane is not) who have done very well for the club. 

he was on 40k a week at villa!

he wont get out of bed for 3k a week or whatever people think he might take. he will be one of the highest paid players in the division. 

you are right i am not disputing his quality, he is a quality player for this division but what is our goal this season? if we dont think we can guarentee a promotion push then its money down the drain that would be better off spent on a younger player who can improve. 

the thing i have against this signing is that we are making the mistakes we made in the past. blinded by the players track record and thinking bloody hell he will be good. how often does it really work out like that? for me its doing the same thing we spent the last 5 years doing and have wasted a monumentum amount of money doing so. i just dont want us to do it again.

stabalise the club with young players that can be treated as ASSETS and fill the rest out with loan players. for once, just once we need to look past the next transfer window as supporters.

1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Why compare us with the average L1 side? Our revenue this season won't be too far off Sheff Weds revenue when they were in the Championship. Our revenue will be double that of Bolton and Charlton, who will both in the top 6 for revenue.

what is that based on?

we will be under efl transfer restrictions regardless of our revenues that other clubs arent.

we will not have financial clout in this division until we are properly out of administration (may not happen even after a takeover) and we are stabalised as a club with proper revenues being brought in through ticket sales and sponsorships - currently we have neither. clowes will have to put a lump sum in immediately to cover this seasons revenues if we are going to compete.

47 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

Calm down. One of the reasons we did so well under Lampard was because we had a great mix of youth and experience. We had the talent in Wilson, Mount, Tomori, Bogle etc. but they were also helped along by the experience and elder statesmen such as Keogh, Bryson, Johnson, Huddlestone, Nugent, Cole, I could go on...

and where did it get us in the end? 

the answer is absolutely nowhere because we didnt own any of the young players. 

2 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said:

You can't moan about us being within a budget, then go on about signing younger players who will cost us more!

Look at the pond we will be forced to fish in. Those younger players will a) command fees and b) command wages that interest them from the club you're taking them from. 

We have only been under salary restrictions since admin. We were under no such restrictions while Mel got us in this mess.

At least try to understand the situation we're in, rather than unconstructive moaning.

how is it unconstructive?

all i said was i want us to build a young team, not a team with old players on big wages. as much as people try to paint it players like hourihane and chester will be on vast amounts compared to the average wage in this division

i dont live in a fairtale land where i expect us to sign all the best young players but i would rather put the money saved on wages aside for transfers even if they are not as good players it gives us players to improve.

it appears im in the minority to which i say fair enough but nobody is going to make me think signing players like chester and hourihane is anything but a bad idea

1 hour ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

We've been in administration almost a year, we've not been able to make a signing for god knows how long, we were on the brink of not even having a club anymore.

We finally look like we might be coming out the other side and some of our fans are moaning about potentially signing Conor Hourihane in league one.

Some of our fans really are something else. Give me strength.

 

no i dont think its about signing conor hourihane

its about repeating the same mistakes which got us here in the first place.

i am over the moon we are even talking about players but lets be realistic here we cannot repeat the same mistakes.

22 minutes ago, Curtains said:

 

 

Nixon telling people nobody is worried.

that is f****** disgraceful considering his tweets about kirchner even after it became obvious he has no dosh.

remember this is a guy that spent all week calling our fan base idiots because they were reading other articles about the deal collapsing, his line all week was "nobody is worried"

glad you chaps have faith in the efl transfer restrictions that would stop us getting into financial damage, worked well last time didnt it.

i just feel its the completely wrong direction to go down, journeymen players on big wages. almost a league one tribute act of our championship dealings under mel. we have to move on from these type of players. old teams just dont do very well anymore, football is a young mans game.

2 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Kirchner was a chancer that had got Stratford, Cook and Rooney fully bought in.

I reckon Q understood that if that bid failed then the whole house of cards came down, no buyer, no Rooney, likely liquidation. I think that knowledge drove their behaviour.

I am not defending Q here, quite the opposite in fact because if they had done their due diligence and run the entire process more efficiently we might not have ended up right up against it with no time to do anything.

Clowes have given Q and DCFC a massive, massive get out jail free card. I genuinely think Q were operating on the basis that it's Kirchner or disaster and let that drive their process.

 

Tl;dr: Q have been a shambles, left themselves in a position where an idiot was leading them by the nose, Clowes have bailed Q and the club out big time.

most of the problems regarding kirchner go away if you made him pay a non refundable deposit.

the whole thing has been amateur hour from start to finish.

you are completely right, clowes has saved their asses really. he fell into their lap.

if the names on that list are true then we will be in admin again before next year

do we learn nothing

if clowes can do a deal in less than a week it really does make you wonder why an earth the admins kept extending kirchners deadline

he should have been binned off after the final game of the season when he was given the original deadline

a nice little earner for quantuma though