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So what did you buy from him?
A used car, A bridge in Brooklyn, A Fake diamond.
No you did not "buy" anything
The facts are he blew £150 million of his own cash trying to get Derby County  back into the Premiership.
Self entitled youngsters like yourself make me despair, he tried, he blew a fortune trying, and all he gets is snide comments from supporters who believe that they are entitled to tremendous success from the club as long as someone else plays for it.
 

What really annoys me (as much as the actual harm gambling can cause) is the 'tightening' link with sport, the constant suggestion that football/sport can't be fun or exciting unless you bet money on it.

Hoping for maybe a Welsh club away?  Even amateurs would do.
 
I'm thinking how nice it would be to be watching us play Tywyn away!
 
 
#dontmakemehavetospellitoutforyou!  
 
 

Eye Havant

Its pretty obvious that the EFL have nothing to really punish us for, Mel has wound them up about future streaming of live football, he's pushed the system to the limits to meet FFP, he's brought in Lampard and Rooney to the frustration of other owners who would have absolutely done the same if they had the nous.
What they have got is jealous owners like Gibson moaning and snarling in the background putting pressure on them to punish Derby for having the temerity to play the system slightly better than they have.
Villa, Leeds, QPR, Watford, Wolves, Leicester etc, etc, etc, have all cheated and beaten the system over the years and now the EFL have been pressurised into making us the scapegoat. The only problem has been proving that we have done owt wrong.
Our accounts must be the most scrutinised of all time yet all they've got is a subsection about player amortisation that probably makes very little difference in the great scheme of things.
If they had anything on us they would have hammered us by now.

That was in the home game though 

Let's go through their questions:
1. Is the club's future secure? Even if it isn't, they aren't going to admit that. The answer will also be "Yes, we're doing everything we can to ensure the best for the club. We're looking forward to a takeover taking place very soon which will allow the club to move forward"
2. ST refunds. Fair enough on this as it's been 14 months since we weren't allowed to go to games.
3. Involving supporters in decision making at the club - "we always appreciate feedback from fans on how to improve the experience. At this moment in time, supporters will not be invited to the board."
4. Virtual meetings. Well, Mel is trying to sell up and reportedly wasn't in good health. Anyone expecting virtual meetings for the time being isn't being realistic.
5. Current financial position. Impossible for the club to say until the EFL appeal is concluded. As has been stated many many times before, the embargo is lifted when the accounts are submitted. The accounts will be submitted following the appeal.
6a. Takeover. Answer: "Pending"
6b. Stadium. Why would the board commit to no risk of PP and the club being separated? They already are.
 
The only reasonable question is about ST holders. The answers to a couple of questions are already out in the open. The remaining questions aren't valid for the current ownership.

I don't want to turn this into another review of his tenure again, it's been done to death these past few weeks.
Not sure how this letter has been sent, if it's just online or has been emailed, posted, but I hope Mel is avoiding all forms of social media to be honest, focussing on his health, family and finding a buyer for the club.
He's looking to hand over the reigns and move on. Absolutely nothing to be gained from reading online comments now, doesn't need to bother himself with all that. 

RamsTrust were the epitome of a local action group cliche when I dipped a toe in years ago, and I can't believe they've changed. Good luck to them, but meh.
I haven't read the letter, because it's irrelevant what they have to say. Mel Morris, who I love to bits, has had a damn good go and come up short. The club is on it's arse, and will remain so until someone stumps up to buy us. RT, the supporters club, us collectively or as individuals...we can write as many letters as we like, it won't shift the debts by a quid and it won't bring any investor a step nearer signing the contract.
 

Full transparency from me (Ryan) on this one: I was approached to offer some thoughts about what could be done and signed this purely from my personal viewpoint that the club is in disarray and we've spent over a year now not being communicated to whilst seeing the name of the club dragged through the mud.
As just an individual, I felt comfortable doing so because I agreed with the points made, but more importantly because I think that going forward, there needs to be a more united voice for supporters as a whole, rather than the array of random splinter groups which appear when crisis arises every few years. 
I'm not a member of RamsTrust or any supporters groups for that matter, just someone who is looking to try and do something. And I know that we all are but hey, every little helps I guess. And one thing I just want to make clear - absolutely, 100% don't think my name would hold anymore weight than any other individuals would. I live hundreds of miles from PP at the moment in a tiny studio flat, and had to wait until 2018 until to get my first season ticket. I've even been known to cancel Rams TV during the off-season. I'm just a Derby County supporter who was approached and is happy to try and help, all with the best of intentions. 
Understand that in the past supporters groups have been divisive and often don't speak necessarily on behalf of supporters whilst all battling against each other. Maybe this is one of those times, and if so I hold my hands up.

Regardless of how I feel towards any of the groups that have signed it off, I still think they should have started with "SOME Derby County supporters request urgent clarification..." and omitted and/or amended the "...supporters need to know the true position..." .
They are still attempting to speak on my behalf without my agreement, and are asking for information which I wouldn't dream of expecting an answer to.  
Whilst some of the points raised are fair points, and/or points of interest to some and it would be nice to know certain goings-on, I personally don't "need to know" anything of this ilk, and certainly would not lend my name to some conceived "Request on behalf of Derby supporters", when that is blatantly not true.
Perhaps the letter would have been better coming from "We, the undersigned..."?
Either way, they still get a boo from me, for attempting to include me in their "Request"!
 
If that is "attacking supporters groups for speaking on behalf of Derby County fans", then yes, I'm guilty as charged.  They have no right, nor moral justification in wording this letter as they have.

Full transparency. I was invited to this meeting, but chose not to put my name or the forums to this.
Reason being as I have previously stated, this forum is a platform for fans views, I am not an elected chairman/spokesman to speak on behalf of you all, simply the creator of this platform for fans views which can already be openly seen by the club.
I did not feel comfortable signing on behalf of the forum without consulting you all, and felt my name without attaching dcfcfans.uk held no weight.
My own personal views are that this letter has been created out of concern for the clubs future and regardless of how you feel towards any of the groups that have signed off on it, do not see this as an opportunity to attack supporters groups for speaking on behalf of Derby County fans.
We all love this club. ?

Here goes.
I think it's time to draw a line under last season, and get behind Rooney giving him a break for next season. Put your pitchforks down, give me a chance before you smash the keyboard.
I'm not suggesting giving him a free pass for what was a poor end to the season, but we can't dwell on the past and must understand the position we are in financially, even if you cannot get on board with the hand Rooney was dealt with was not the greatest, look at it from the financial point of view.
Rooney walks? Entirely different situation, if he receives the assurances that he can bring players in and compete, I just don't see him walking, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not fired up even more to prove himself. 
Sack him? Now this is the question, how much will that cost, can we afford it?
The reply to that will be, but we can't afford to drop into League 1, no we can't, but with a summer of recruitments using his contacts is a risk worth willing to take in my opinion, even if you give him until October to not have us in any kind of relegation battle.
Things don't work out, we may at least have some decent players at the club to work with. Lampard with Tomori, Mount and Wilson for example to then bring in an experienced disaster fighter to keep us up.
Would you give Rooney a couple of months in exchange for extra funds to purchase a player or two than showing him the door now?
What even are the expectations for next season? Please don't tell me we have any fans sat here thinking top 6 minimum, in my mind a 10th to 16th unspectacular season would be acceptable as a building block. 
Is Rooney capable of that? I don't see why not, let's not forget the weeks we were up there with the best in the form table before Bielik got injured, now if he has the players, the squad, I don't see that as being a totally unrealistic target. 
What Cocu would have done with Bielik and CKR for that matter is irrelevant now, we'll never know.
Fans will hopefully be back next season, let's not walk into the opening game with a toxic atmosphere booing and calling for the blokes head, look at the scenes outside Pride Park pre Sheffield Wednesday game, the players didn't deserve any of that really, but right now we need to play our part however hard that maybe for some of you. 
There is a huge negative cloud above this club right now, I just feel that by adding to that with weekly demands for Rooney's head will offer nothing positive to the current situation we find ourselves in.
Give him a chance, couple of months that's all. Regardless of who the owner is, I don't see him being afford much longer than that if we look to be heading into trouble once again.
 

That's he crux of the issue - both the Sheikh and Alonso were almost certainly fronting up other parties - as such they would potentially both appear credible if they came to Mel with letters of intent and evidence of wealth from the real backers. The fact that the backers have subsequently got cold feet and walked away in the interim (not surprising given our precarious league position and issues with the EFL) has resulted in both deals falling through.
The Sheikh simply melted away whereas Alonso had made such a big deal of the takeover that he kept on 'giving it large' until Mel pulled the plug when no money appeared. I don't think either of them were necessaarily the chancers they're being made out to be - it's certainly possible that they both started out with good intentions and had the rug pulled from under them when their wealthy backers walked away...
Those people attacking Mel for not doing his due diligence would do well to remember that hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing.....

We can't even get along as football fans of the same bloomin club!
What chance have we got?
Fortunately I was brought up on singing songs and chants that supported the club I love and then singing songs that disrespected the club we were trying to beat.
And I know football forums are all about fans being entitled to their own opininions, but just look at how far the goal posts have been moved within the game.
The biggest thing I loved about going to the Baseball Ground was the crowd, the wonderful atmosphere of getting behind Derby County Football Club and tearing into the Leeds, Chelsea fans and all the rest...................why did it go all horribly wrong???????
Why do some of our fans choose to get off on, winding our own fans up..........why oh why????????
I'm out of here, I'd rather watch dull Sunday night telly than read our own fans bickering with one another.
Where is your dignity, respect, appreciation, honour, loyalty for your fellow fan of the same football club you all love?
D.C.F.C. Love, Life & Unity.
Very sad indeed............a bloody disgrace!

Ronald McDonald

Yes 10% discount on season ticket and free rams tv

The EFL, as I understand it, have proved their case in so far as the ammortisation policy wasn't acceptable (the LAP ruling) and the notification of the change in policy was inadiquet (in the orginal case). That is a breach of P&S rules in itself.
The EFL have not proved that DCFC intentiaonally decieved them, or that the figures were "being made up to suit the acoutnts".
Our mitigation will include the EFL previously being happy with the accounts, the acounts being properly audited, that the original DC found one way and the LAP the other way should suggest that although the poit of law has been decided in the EFL's favour, the adoption of a differing opinion isn't of itself damning, and this case setting the precedent.
The EFL will want maximum possible punishment precisly to be a warnign to others.
I think in context we'll get a fine, but it'll be a big enough one to not make clubs think it's a breeze.
The other element to consider is do we submit linier ammoritsation accounts as part of our submission to the hearing showing that we didn't lose over P&S limits either way - if we have that piece of evidence (it seems the EFL and a lot of commentators have assumed that without our ERV system we would breach, and, i have to say, it seem an obvious driver to make the accounting change) it puts the whole matter into a lot different context. Obviously, if we re-calculate and we're in the ? we probably won't be running that line....
And if we recalculate out P&S based on the standard system and have not breached P&S limits on allowable losses, I think we'll ask, why did we do this in the first place?

In all seriousness, I'd agree. 
It was an art in itself to steer clear of trouble from oppo and police! Colours always hidden until inside the ground.  Different world to today... thankfully!
Witnessed (and was on the periphery) of all sorts of scrapes and scuffles, particularly as I went to many (virtually all) away games from 77 to 81.
Being on "independent transport", as opposed to official club coaches, undoubtedly didn't help.  There was always a pub stop or two on our travels too.
Don't get me wrong, I was gobby (in a sing song sort of way) but certainly no fighter.    Probably done the equivalent of a fair few marathons over that period.  Always chased, and never the chaser, mind!  ?
If truth be told, I probably did well to stay out of the cells for so long!  ...And hospitals, for that matter!  ?  
 
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Phil Gee Screamer!

Well if it helps I’ve bought three 

The year arsenal won the league and we were the only team to do the double over them

Never been so wet walking back to the car but laughing all the way