kevinhectoring

1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said:

Not sure where you are deriving your straw poll to say Rooney did a great job at Derby?

Off the pitch he treated all the staff affected with empathy and it's obvious his core values align to behaving towards people in the right manner and being respectful of them.

On the pitch he did OK with the resources he had at his disposal, not going to say anything more about that, and our away record quite rightly draws scrutiny.

Don’t get me wrong, I thought he was good in some areas, and weak in others

But literally every football fan I speak to, when I tell them who I support, tells me what a great job Rooney did for us. It’s like he’s Judy Dench, or the Queen

On 19/07/2022 at 08:36, Miggins said:

Play offs, I think, though it's hard to say.

The continued brilliant support of the fans and the determination of the players to regain our place in the championship should make the difference this season. I think our sense of injustice will continue to give us an edge.

 

Yes I went for play offs. As you say the fan base gives us a real advantage. So if we make the play offs I reckon we’re favourites for promotion 

6 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said:

In all honesty...that's chump change for WR, What will be his Tax status in the USA?, Has he still a home there?, Would there be bonuses?

I’d think WR is not focused on his salary at DC at all, but that he is focused on finding a long term career as a manager, not least because punditry is not his thing. If he’s out of work for a while there’s no guarantee he’ll get back in the flow. Popular opinion says he did a great job at Derby. Not at all clear the football establishment shares that view 

28 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said:

This went over everyone's heads 

roof puns ? Man ‘s’ard 

53 minutes ago, Coconut's Beard said:

Nobody was 'turned on' for having doubts about Kirchner, or sensibly voicing them. 

I pointed out how bizarre it was that a CEO of a VC backed business was spending so much time on his hobbies, and I wondered aloud what his investors were smoking. I was ridiculed 

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

You're claiming the administrators saw an amount of £1.6m enter the bank account, didn't question where it came from, then used that money to pay the wages? ?

Obviously not.  I think maybe they were spun a yarn and they paid the wages. And later the truth became apparent to them and they told the FA

14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Yes, but what did I hear. You been hearing voices again? You do know no-one else can hear them don't you? ??

@SamUltraRamsaid:

Rooney quit as manager because he realised how his close association with this charlatan almost resulted in killing our club

Seems unlikely - because if that was his motivation he would have said so and expressed regret. His PR team would have made sure of that 
 

The fact the players heard about his resignation only in the press suggests it was hurried, not amicable and not planned. 

It seems possible Q realised Stretford funded the May wages and they shopped S to the FA, leading to the investigation.  If Rooney was involved in the funding by Stretford and if DC did not want Rooney to stay on, Q would have had the perfect excuse to send him packing 
 

5 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Someone posted about Allen Stanford(the man who bought cricket)these are Narcissists, They love to be in the limelight, Spending other peoples money is of no concern of theirs, They actually believe it's there's, Flash fancy Dans, Stanford £20m for cricket = Kirchner £8m for golf

Pretty amazing, leaving a salesman in charge of a fast growing VC company and that person having sole control of company bank accounts.
I doubt CK is crook though. I think he’s probably more delusional and naive. We’ll see ...

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

What?! ?

You heard ? 

6 hours ago, SamUltraRam said:

Is it possible that Rooney quit as manager because he realised how his close association with this charlatan almost resulted in killing our club ?

 

Yes. It’s also possible he was sacked for exactly the same reason 

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Just like watching the men!

Good to hear. Most people say they

...like watching just the men 

the women are getting  so much better  Would like to see dcfc invest more on the women’s side.  Not least because it’s becoming big business 

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

He's got to be close to sainthood surely?

About time he was given freedom of the city 

6 hours ago, Charlotte Ram said:

It would appear that Mel Morris was (apart from a few of us on here) the only one of the decision makers to see through Kirchner, and hence his refusal to sell him the ground.

Hang on. MM wouldn’t sell him the ground because CK wouldn’t pay 23m for it 

Morris’ best mate for several moons was Samuelson so let’s not give him credit for the company he chooses 

10 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

Takeover was announced over a week after

Hang on tho, DC had already bought the ground - so he controlled the process - and he had announced an intention to buy the club. So Rooney’s claim that everything was still up in the air was absurd 

On 13/07/2022 at 16:57, matty1986 said:

Do I believe his PR team advised that sticking around until the end of last season was a no lose situation from a brand Rooney perspective? Also yes.

Warnock was the only pundit who was brave enough to say this from what I heard. He basically said: ‘Rooney’s got the easiest job in the Championship, a free hit”. There was an embarrassed silence in the studio - all the other pundits had been rabbiting foolishly on about what a difficult job he had, how he was showing immense loyalty simply by staying. It was tosh, skilfully manufactured by a hefty PR effort which comically earned him the freedom of the city. Embarrassing.
Rooney deserves a lot of credit for recruiting and motivation. But I still think we had a team last season that, well handled, was quite capable of staying up. And the truth is we weren’t even close. Tom Lawrence as skipper are you kidding ?

On 14/07/2022 at 14:56, Crewton said:

Kieran Maguire on his podcast this morning apparently said that his sources, DCFC were paying Rooney something like £865k a year as manager. According to his information, Kirchner offered him more than that to sign a three year contract at Derby, which is excessive for a L1 manager, so you do wonder if DC had made it clear that he couldn't pay that much and perhaps that was one reason why Rooney felt deflated by KIrchner's bid failing?

This has more than a ring of truth about it. Also possible that he was involved in the Stretford CK funding shenanigans, and that his conduct there contributed to the departure 
 

btw, how is it that we now know about the clause in his DC contract that says he can leave if the PL comes knocking ? I’d have thought it was a confidential provision (and DC certainly would not have leaked it).

On 18/07/2022 at 09:57, Shuff264 said:

President of Business, doing alright for himself

https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1548940755259064320?t=MC3uB9aLGDm_QszoZBT-Vw&s=19

 

heard from people who worked with him in NY that he’s impressive and just a great guy to work with. Chelsea have had serious problems with their internal culture of late and their staff headcount is ridiculously high. Combination of that, a new PE owner and Boehly means they’ll likely be looking at a major reorganisation  - he’ll be a good person to oversee that. 

On 14/07/2022 at 23:25, Ellafella said:

I’m not convinced by LR. I like him. I respect him - but not sure he has the cutting edge that’s needed. I’m prepared to be wrong. He deserves a crack - so think the interim label is an astute, pragmatic step by Clowes Developments. We have an historical benchmark - we’ve not spent >3 seasons in Div 3 ever before moving back up so whilst resisting Divine Right assumptions, we’ll soon know if the “rot” will halt under LR. I’m optimistic - the recruitment has been beyond my expectation so first big tick. Next is develop a winning culture and the signs are good. All the initial signings come with an expression best exemplified by Scott Loach “ It’s an honour to be here, and I’m here to compete for the shirt…”. I was immensely impressed by Scott’s words. Replicate that attitude throughout the squad, translate that attitude into the concomitant behaviour on the pitch and we will be on an upward trajectory again. I’m optimistic it will happen but it may take time. There is always a mix of forces - we are forming again, there’ll be some storming, and perhaps eventually some performing …

Yes, Liam has yet to prove himself as a manager. But the bigger character is Curtis who at this level could be a force of nature. I think Liam will have the intelligence to light Curtis’ blue touch paper and stand well back - and I think it could define our season. The decision not to make him captain last season was incomprehensible 

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

Lol.

You ARE Nixon's twin and I claim my £5. Give over with your hectoring now. #COYR

You won’t see a penny until you return my son’s scarf 

4 hours ago, jono said:

Well as I have read it, Stretford gave or provided the club money on the surety/assumption/promise that CK would give it him back. Got suckered by a premier league snake oil salesman. Not our problem ! 

Don’t think Stretford got suckered by CK, not for one minute. They both assumed CK’s purchase would go through and probably didn’t agree what would happen if it didn’t. 
Looks more like CK was cajoled by Stretford into re bidding, with Stretford (and others?) promising to provide some of the capital. And then the whole thing fell apart because CK couldn’t prove that the money he’d sent was his own 
 

5 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

And they might not, else they would have done so by now, why wait.

Because it might be unclear whether the club is liable. And because it might be unclear who the club is liable to. Or for another reason 

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

This Club has never had the dosh, that was the old Club.

yes, maybe that's the answer  But the new club might have picked up the liability to repay (if there was one) under the business transfer agreement 

50 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

WTF?

Why on earth do you think the Club would pay anything and to whom?! ?

(Sorry)

Well the club might be advised they are obliged to return the dosh and DC might take a more rational approach to litigation than MM did 

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

WTF?

Why on earth do you think the Club would pay anything and to whom?! ?

I love it when you say ‘whom’.  
 

On 17/07/2022 at 11:45, StrawHillRam said:

He borrowed money to pay the wages but didn’t actually pay the wages !

 Am I reading that correctly? It’s his problem and only his problem.

 What a chancer! 

Hang on. If SSS lent CK the money, then CK paid the wages. End of

But that doesn’t mean CK can get the money back from the club. That depends on what the deal was between Q and CK.

Who knows but there are some interesting possibilities:

- Stretford has given the club 1.6m ?

- CK has given the club 1.6m ?

Seems more likely the club  will repay the dosh, but is that the old club company (rip) or the new one ?

We need some incisive analysis I hope @iRam’s missus is around