Alty_Ram

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

That's a nice positive outlook on the reasons for some people being grumpy/negative..

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

I wonder what would have happened if they had started to build HS2 from Manchester to London instead of the other way around
Would they have cancelled it before it reached London ???

To be fair to Waggy, it seemed to go where he wanted it to, and if so then his roof-of-the-net finish suggests that he is playing with confidence at the moment. When strikers are desperately short of confidence they tend to go very safe which often makes things worse by putting it in the keeper's saveable range.

To be fair to Waggy, it seemed to go where he wanted it to, and if so then his roof-of-the-net finish suggests that he is playing with confidence at the moment. When strikers are desperately short of confidence they tend to go very safe which often makes things worse by putting it in the keeper's saveable range.

Just nice to have some options to discuss for this thread title ! Fornah looks very composed. A good athlete too who doesn't get bossed. Nelson has been Mr Steady and reads the game really well. Really pleased with him, absolutely what we needed, particularly after a rocky start for Bradley. Nyambe has that slight 'tough as nails' Wisdom vibe but probably with better positional sense. He's not going to tear teams apart on the counter but looks really solid and does a lot of good work.

My take for what it's worth, I don't believe for a second that any fan would be upset by last nights result.
We all want Derby to be successful, however we all have different ideas on how that can be achieved.
The more vocal and extreme calls for Warne out, will create a stronger defence for Warne on the other side.
What happens is both sides become so distant where no middle ground can be found, you end up with this told you so, where are you now, can't moan now type situations.
Happens all over, not just this forum, not just football. 
Whilst we're all mostly anonymous behind a keyboard, things will never change whilst we have a manager that splits fans as Warne and the likes of Rowett did.

I have to admit to being a bit baffled by the strength of feeling and negativity towards this. There is a clearly a load of baggage around this whole issue that I am not really understanding despite reading the objections, but I would have thought that if it is an option for some level of fan representation in whatever form, then that is better than no representation ?
I don't have a clue who is the best person to represent fans in this scenario other than certainly not me, because I don't frankly understand enough of what is required. I feel reasonably sure though that any fans group is made up of people who are surely by definition, fans and followers of our great club. When the ball hits the net and I leap about and celebrate with complete strangers, I'm not asking for their membership cards to see if they might be celebrating for questionable reasons or because of some sinister agenda that will only become clear when they revert to their evil alien lizard form. I just don't know what folk think is going to happen.

I have to admit to being a bit baffled by the strength of feeling and negativity towards this. There is a clearly a load of baggage around this whole issue that I am not really understanding despite reading the objections, but I would have thought that if it is an option for some level of fan representation in whatever form, then that is better than no representation ?
I don't have a clue who is the best person to represent fans in this scenario other than certainly not me, because I don't frankly understand enough of what is required. I feel reasonably sure though that any fans group is made up of people who are surely by definition, fans and followers of our great club. When the ball hits the net and I leap about and celebrate with complete strangers, I'm not asking for their membership cards to see if they might be celebrating for questionable reasons or because of some sinister agenda that will only become clear when they revert to their evil alien lizard form. I just don't know what folk think is going to happen.

Yeah, exactly. A lot of other teams fans still don't seemed to have grasped just how perilously close we were. I've read some absolute garbage written on social media by the ill-informed (that's pretty much the same thing I guess..) that suggests that we were 'always going to get dug out of the s*** by someone'. That is absolutely not true. It was the Clowes cavalry, driven by a desire to save his club for the city; or absolute and utter oblivion and start again with a phoenix club at whatever level we would be allowed to participate. It was that black and white. Time had run out, the good ship DCFC was going down with all hands.
The fans were outstanding in terms of loyalty and resilience and raising the profile of the issue but we cannot save a club on our own with the staggering debt profile of some clubs these days. The sheer size of the unserviceable debt that can be run up, and the way that owners can just throw a club and fans and history under a bus, and the way that primary assets like the stadium can be separated from the football side of things, added to the tacit encouragement by the EFL to let teams sue each other for damages for any perceived wrongdoing and it is surely just a matter of time before a bigger club pops in a messy way, and even then some people will still be surprised by this when it happens.
People have to stop assuming that some Arab Sheik or wealthy American consortium will just sort it out - The debt in the championship even is getting beyond the means of anyone but the absolutely loaded. Where there is no financial case to be made for buying a club because of issue like above (no stadium asset, crippling debt, guaranteed relegation due to points deductions, looming litigation etc) then you are left hoping for a miracle. A miracle that makes little financial sense to sort.

The current crop of bigger sides that are in trouble may be OK because they don't have all these factors stacked up against them, but our situation will not be unique unless rules change. Someone else will suffer that perfect storm of circumstances because nothing has been addressed in the governance and finance of the game.

The Scunthorpe example is particularly scary because the owner seems to be actually taking glee in their plight.

Not everyone has a David Clowes riding over the hill on a white charger. Sometimes that noise approaching is just another 10,000 orcs who have come to burn your castle down.

Jeez, what a total shambles 😞 
Not just in financial trouble, they're mired in litigation and don't even have a ground to call their own. Sounds horribly familiar... At least the numbers required to save them would presumably be chickenfeed in comparison to us. Even so it would probably need a local business person with a love for the club, not their business head on. That also sounds familiar.
As always, you feel for the fans.

I think unfortunately, our team on Saturday was one that had neither of our most cultured players in the form of Hourihane and Bird. Sure, we created some decent chances but for all that we seemed to control possession, we never really did so in areas that created a consistent threat. Aside from the first 15-20 mins where they were a bit more front foot, , Cambridge seemed content for us to have the ball in our own half and we knocked it about without seemingly much of a plan or any ability to really carve them open. As soon as we got to the final 3rd we looked like we'd run out of ideas and we either hit the first defender with the cross or overshot everyone. Certainly poor execution hampered us but the strategy seemed to be what the players were asked to do.
You need to give some credit to Cambridge but I honestly think that the way we played would make anyone look organised and disciplined. We just had no cutting edge and our sole plan seemed to be to dash down the flanks, bang a cross in, and hope that someone could get on the end. We never looked like we were going to pick anyone out by threading a ball through, or curl one into the top corner. It was pure percentages football where if we hit enough crosses in then something will probably happen. We also seemed reluctant to shoot from the edge of the box which seemed odd. We always seemed to want to push it out wide and then try to bang a cross in and hope for the best and any well-drilled defence will lap that up all day with our lack of much of an aerial threat.
Hopefully Hourihane returning can give us a bit of much needed guile but the tactics need to be more than just hit and hope crossing.

Yeah, exactly. A lot of other teams fans still don't seemed to have grasped just how perilously close we were. I've read some absolute garbage written on social media by the ill-informed (that's pretty much the same thing I guess..) that suggests that we were 'always going to get dug out of the s*** by someone'. That is absolutely not true. It was the Clowes cavalry, driven by a desire to save his club for the city; or absolute and utter oblivion and start again with a phoenix club at whatever level we would be allowed to participate. It was that black and white. Time had run out, the good ship DCFC was going down with all hands.
The fans were outstanding in terms of loyalty and resilience and raising the profile of the issue but we cannot save a club on our own with the staggering debt profile of some clubs these days. The sheer size of the unserviceable debt that can be run up, and the way that owners can just throw a club and fans and history under a bus, and the way that primary assets like the stadium can be separated from the football side of things, added to the tacit encouragement by the EFL to let teams sue each other for damages for any perceived wrongdoing and it is surely just a matter of time before a bigger club pops in a messy way, and even then some people will still be surprised by this when it happens.
People have to stop assuming that some Arab Sheik or wealthy American consortium will just sort it out - The debt in the championship even is getting beyond the means of anyone but the absolutely loaded. Where there is no financial case to be made for buying a club because of issue like above (no stadium asset, crippling debt, guaranteed relegation due to points deductions, looming litigation etc) then you are left hoping for a miracle. A miracle that makes little financial sense to sort.

The current crop of bigger sides that are in trouble may be OK because they don't have all these factors stacked up against them, but our situation will not be unique unless rules change. Someone else will suffer that perfect storm of circumstances because nothing has been addressed in the governance and finance of the game.

The Scunthorpe example is particularly scary because the owner seems to be actually taking glee in their plight.

Not everyone has a David Clowes riding over the hill on a white charger. Sometimes that noise approaching is just another 10,000 orcs who have come to burn your castle down.

Yeah, exactly. A lot of other teams fans still don't seemed to have grasped just how perilously close we were. I've read some absolute garbage written on social media by the ill-informed (that's pretty much the same thing I guess..) that suggests that we were 'always going to get dug out of the s*** by someone'. That is absolutely not true. It was the Clowes cavalry, driven by a desire to save his club for the city; or absolute and utter oblivion and start again with a phoenix club at whatever level we would be allowed to participate. It was that black and white. Time had run out, the good ship DCFC was going down with all hands.
The fans were outstanding in terms of loyalty and resilience and raising the profile of the issue but we cannot save a club on our own with the staggering debt profile of some clubs these days. The sheer size of the unserviceable debt that can be run up, and the way that owners can just throw a club and fans and history under a bus, and the way that primary assets like the stadium can be separated from the football side of things, added to the tacit encouragement by the EFL to let teams sue each other for damages for any perceived wrongdoing and it is surely just a matter of time before a bigger club pops in a messy way, and even then some people will still be surprised by this when it happens.
People have to stop assuming that some Arab Sheik or wealthy American consortium will just sort it out - The debt in the championship even is getting beyond the means of anyone but the absolutely loaded. Where there is no financial case to be made for buying a club because of issue like above (no stadium asset, crippling debt, guaranteed relegation due to points deductions, looming litigation etc) then you are left hoping for a miracle. A miracle that makes little financial sense to sort.

The current crop of bigger sides that are in trouble may be OK because they don't have all these factors stacked up against them, but our situation will not be unique unless rules change. Someone else will suffer that perfect storm of circumstances because nothing has been addressed in the governance and finance of the game.

The Scunthorpe example is particularly scary because the owner seems to be actually taking glee in their plight.

Not everyone has a David Clowes riding over the hill on a white charger. Sometimes that noise approaching is just another 10,000 orcs who have come to burn your castle down.

Ah OK, it seemed to be a VPN thing so perhaps country restricted ? Anyway, cheers for that. Yeah, Gasly not a happy bunny... I imagine that was a fun chat later !