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That's interesting stuff, a couple of observations from me.
A fair few of our academy graduates are no longer youngsters and have progressed to being just footballers, I like that. But the first graph demonstrates the "academy gap" that has been created by administration, with a lack of depth in the current "breaking through" age group.
Our second figure of 15% would undoubtedly be higher except for injury, with Bird, Thommo and Sibley particularly lower on match minutes than would have been expected otherwise. 

We rank 18th for league minutes given to players ages 21 or younger, at just 12.9%.
The top 6 are: Reading (47%), Wigan (40%), Bristol Rovers (32%), Charlton (32%), Peterborough (31%), Wycombe (29%)
We rank 5th for league minutes given to academy graduates of any age, at 15.4%.
The top 6 are: Wigan (42%), Reading (37%), Charlton (36%), Leyton Orient (16%), Derby (15%), Port Vale (14%)
The black dot is where we sit compared with the rest of the league

 
For comparison, this is where we were towards the end of the 20/21 season

 
Interesting to see if people have changed their view with regards to game time to youngsters...
 

I’m not saying he should be sacked but I am saying there’s enough for me to be concerned. 
It’s not this one result. As others have said, a one off result you can accept if other results and performances are up there. Nobody at City were calling for Pep’s head after they lost to Watford. Portsmouth drew at Cheltenham as well but other performances and results mean they can shrug it off as a bad day. 
 
We are having too many poor performances and average results which then changes the context of this result.
Also, and this is a personal opinion which people may or may not agree with but I find the idea of getting it wide, putting in crosses and focusing on set plays (get a bonus day off if you score from one) to be really basic football. And people might say that’s how you play in League 1 but I don’t buy it and it also means, as someone already put, that if you do go up what happens? Do you try and completely change your football and undo all the coaching you have done?
I’m not saying he should go now but the signs aren’t great

There will be people saying 'don't overreact', 'it's just one game', 'needs more time' if (more likely when) we are still in this position in January. Or April. Or next January come to that.
I'd love things to come good, but the idea that doubts about Warne are 'knee-jerk' with all the evidence we now have are ridiculous.

There will be people saying 'don't overreact', 'it's just one game', 'needs more time' if (more likely when) we are still in this position in January. Or April. Or next January come to that.
I'd love things to come good, but the idea that doubts about Warne are 'knee-jerk' with all the evidence we now have are ridiculous.

There will be people saying 'don't overreact', 'it's just one game', 'needs more time' if (more likely when) we are still in this position in January. Or April. Or next January come to that.
I'd love things to come good, but the idea that doubts about Warne are 'knee-jerk' with all the evidence we now have are ridiculous.

I think more accurately we could be doing a lot better but could be doing worse.
We've been very unconvincing over the first quarter of the season.

I'm not watching or listening, but I reckon NML should have shot then.

The criticism has died down for various reasons.
We are playing better football in the last 2 games, so some of people's concerns are being assuaged.
We've won 2 of the last 3, as BC says, 3 points shuts people up.
Also, many who weren't happy are tired of the kick back, especially post Carlisle when we didn't play well but won and those commenting got the result thrown at them.
From my point of view, I'd like some more control in games, but Nyambe and the return of Bird and Barks have improved matters. It wasn't personal for most critics, it was based on what we saw.
As Maynard Keynes wrote, when the facts change, I change my mind. 

My take for what it's worth, I don't believe for a second that any fan would be upset by last nights result.
We all want Derby to be successful, however we all have different ideas on how that can be achieved.
The more vocal and extreme calls for Warne out, will create a stronger defence for Warne on the other side.
What happens is both sides become so distant where no middle ground can be found, you end up with this told you so, where are you now, can't moan now type situations.
Happens all over, not just this forum, not just football. 
Whilst we're all mostly anonymous behind a keyboard, things will never change whilst we have a manager that splits fans as Warne and the likes of Rowett did.

Aye, can it not descend into the usual binary chaos tonight please?! It was a good win, hopefully those who doubt Warne saw some of their concerns addressed tonight, those who back him can feel smug without rubbing it in and everyone in between too, then we can all just enjoy a great win for the Rams 🐏 

So sad to hear that death of the man who brought me to Derby County. 
Rest  well Franny thanks for the memories 

This is part of the problem for me. The new right back was signed as a last minute stopgap to replace Rooney, now Warne has figured out we have to play four at the back because he signed the wrong centre backs for the system he planned to play. In the meantime we spent summer signing not one but two right-sided wing backs. They have no obvious place in this new tactical set up.
Fornah was also last minute because it apparently wasn't clear to Warne during the summer that we needed more mobility and steel in midfield.
We didn't add any guile up front, because he didn't see that as a priority either. We signed Washington, who doesn't seem to fit in any system, and Waghorn (almost by accident). 
Its taken a year to hit on the right overall formation and our recruitment this summer was for something else entirely. 

This is part of the problem for me. The new right back was signed as a last minute stopgap to replace Rooney, now Warne has figured out we have to play four at the back because he signed the wrong centre backs for the system he planned to play. In the meantime we spent summer signing not one but two right-sided wing backs. They have no obvious place in this new tactical set up.
Fornah was also last minute because it apparently wasn't clear to Warne during the summer that we needed more mobility and steel in midfield.
We didn't add any guile up front, because he didn't see that as a priority either. We signed Washington, who doesn't seem to fit in any system, and Waghorn (almost by accident). 
Its taken a year to hit on the right overall formation and our recruitment this summer was for something else entirely. 

This is part of the problem for me. The new right back was signed as a last minute stopgap to replace Rooney, now Warne has figured out we have to play four at the back because he signed the wrong centre backs for the system he planned to play. In the meantime we spent summer signing not one but two right-sided wing backs. They have no obvious place in this new tactical set up.
Fornah was also last minute because it apparently wasn't clear to Warne during the summer that we needed more mobility and steel in midfield.
We didn't add any guile up front, because he didn't see that as a priority either. We signed Washington, who doesn't seem to fit in any system, and Waghorn (almost by accident). 
Its taken a year to hit on the right overall formation and our recruitment this summer was for something else entirely. 

Genuinely at what point aren't we a work in progress? What points in this division would be unexpected? We've won 2 of the last 13 at home I believe with 11 goals scored. That's really not good enough. I think many fans are starting to have enough of the turgid Warne ball which is being served up. 

Nelson & Nyambe have been very good

What a beautiful show of support. 

He would fail, playing bad football (based on the games so far this season), whilst having one of the biggest playing budgets in the league (if not the biggest).
Mac had the 13th highest wage bill in 13/14 (9th highest revenue) and made a profit on transfers that season. Wages in that season (£13.5m) won't be much higher than the budget Warne has this season in League 1!!!
In 14/15, the wage bill still remained at most levels, and we weren't anywhere near the top clubs for transfer spend, despite buying Thorne and not receiving any significant fees from departures.
Remarkably, Lampard's wage bill would have been 7th-10th (a lot of clubs close to our estimated figure) and around 9th for revenue

Think people are really harsh on Rooney. He was managing when everything was falling apart, squad stripped and no budget. He threw together a bunch of academy kids and no-one-wants-them loanees and got really impressive results. We finished with a much better record than the previous season and would have comfortably survived but for the huge points deduction. There was even a time where we thought we might do the impossible, before the number of matches caught up with a small and very young squad. 
Oh, and somehow Rooney kept a sense of calm and purpose despite all the off-pitch drama. 
I'll always remember him well. 

Think people are really harsh on Rooney. He was managing when everything was falling apart, squad stripped and no budget. He threw together a bunch of academy kids and no-one-wants-them loanees and got really impressive results. We finished with a much better record than the previous season and would have comfortably survived but for the huge points deduction. There was even a time where we thought we might do the impossible, before the number of matches caught up with a small and very young squad. 
Oh, and somehow Rooney kept a sense of calm and purpose despite all the off-pitch drama. 
I'll always remember him well. 

It's strange people can't see this. 
The 'Warne out' people think that getting rid of Warne will lead to more success for the club in the medium to long term than the alternative.
The 'Warne in' people think that sticking with Warne will lead to more success for the club in the medium to long term than the alternative. 
I imagine if both sets of people were suddenly granted the ability to see into the future - could see where we would be under Warne in another year or two, say - then they'd probably agree about the right course of action now.
We disagree over Warne because we disagree over whether he will be good or bad for the club going forward. We don't disagree on what we want: success, a thriving club, a return to better times. 
We all support the club, we all want the club to win. 

What utter nonsense. Everyone at the club has talked of winning promotion this season as the aim. Warne has even targeted top 3. Our budget at the very least is top 6, and a chance of it actually being the highest wage bill in the league this season. We are 8 games in, sit 9th in the table thanks to an over reliance on set pieces and Waggy magic, whilst performing more like a bottom half side not far off the relegation spots.
Anything less than promotion this season is a failure.

It's strange people can't see this. 
The 'Warne out' people think that getting rid of Warne will lead to more success for the club in the medium to long term than the alternative.
The 'Warne in' people think that sticking with Warne will lead to more success for the club in the medium to long term than the alternative. 
I imagine if both sets of people were suddenly granted the ability to see into the future - could see where we would be under Warne in another year or two, say - then they'd probably agree about the right course of action now.
We disagree over Warne because we disagree over whether he will be good or bad for the club going forward. We don't disagree on what we want: success, a thriving club, a return to better times. 
We all support the club, we all want the club to win. 

It's strange people can't see this. 
The 'Warne out' people think that getting rid of Warne will lead to more success for the club in the medium to long term than the alternative.
The 'Warne in' people think that sticking with Warne will lead to more success for the club in the medium to long term than the alternative. 
I imagine if both sets of people were suddenly granted the ability to see into the future - could see where we would be under Warne in another year or two, say - then they'd probably agree about the right course of action now.
We disagree over Warne because we disagree over whether he will be good or bad for the club going forward. We don't disagree on what we want: success, a thriving club, a return to better times. 
We all support the club, we all want the club to win.