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Rosenior had to build a squad almost literally from nothing, working under as many (and probably many more) restrictions than Warne.
He was then given fewer than 10 league games to get these players working as a cohesive squad, playing a fairly technical brand of football. 
It wasn't like we lost every game. It wasn't like there weren't some very positive signs. 
I think it was way too soon to say his brand of football would have proven ineffective for us, given more time and probably more resource. 

Death by passing to our own guys beats death by passing to their guys.
LR wasn't amazing but you could see what they were trying to be and they weren't that bad at being it, and LR gets credit for putting the squad together after the admin as well as sticking with the club through the admin and it was his first gig as the head coach (OK interim audition period, but he was doing the job until he wasn't).
 

I’d also add that you can see the inner workings of some managers that just haven’t had enough time or a difficult situation: Cocu was one of them. I don’t see that with Warne. He isn’t a manager that is coaching his game on development. You can see why he worked on a Steve Evans coaching staff for so many years. 

I'm also quite interested, out of the many players he did bring in this summer, which ones epitomise the 'fast, pressing' game he apparently wants to play? Because it seems to me he brought in quite a lot of older, slower, not-especially-mobile players? And pretty much ignored our midfield (which was designed for passing, not pressing) until signing an unknown (Fornah) at the last minute? What about pressing from the front? Was Washington the magic forward who was going to unlock this bold new strategy? Or was it the 33-year-old Martyn Waghorn?
It's one thing saying we need more time to finish the job, but at the moment I can barely see what he's started. 

I'm also quite interested, out of the many players he did bring in this summer, which ones epitomise the 'fast, pressing' game he apparently wants to play? Because it seems to me he brought in quite a lot of older, slower, not-especially-mobile players? And pretty much ignored our midfield (which was designed for passing, not pressing) until signing an unknown (Fornah) at the last minute? What about pressing from the front? Was Washington the magic forward who was going to unlock this bold new strategy? Or was it the 33-year-old Martyn Waghorn?
It's one thing saying we need more time to finish the job, but at the moment I can barely see what he's started. 

I'm also quite interested, out of the many players he did bring in this summer, which ones epitomise the 'fast, pressing' game he apparently wants to play? Because it seems to me he brought in quite a lot of older, slower, not-especially-mobile players? And pretty much ignored our midfield (which was designed for passing, not pressing) until signing an unknown (Fornah) at the last minute? What about pressing from the front? Was Washington the magic forward who was going to unlock this bold new strategy? Or was it the 33-year-old Martyn Waghorn?
It's one thing saying we need more time to finish the job, but at the moment I can barely see what he's started. 

I'm also quite interested, out of the many players he did bring in this summer, which ones epitomise the 'fast, pressing' game he apparently wants to play? Because it seems to me he brought in quite a lot of older, slower, not-especially-mobile players? And pretty much ignored our midfield (which was designed for passing, not pressing) until signing an unknown (Fornah) at the last minute? What about pressing from the front? Was Washington the magic forward who was going to unlock this bold new strategy? Or was it the 33-year-old Martyn Waghorn?
It's one thing saying we need more time to finish the job, but at the moment I can barely see what he's started. 

I hear ya.
One more year of shopping in the freebie bin, still think we have another few up & downs this season before we can properly try to get promoted next year, I cant see it this season unless we vastly improve.

No reason in principle why not but a lot of things have to go right at the same time from player to manager (and that is NOT a comment about our current manager). And above all we would have to have a lot of luck going our way on everything from referees decisions to academy fruitfulness.
If there’s anything I worry about about David Clowes’ ownership is his relative wealth. He’s clearly a rich man by any stretch of imagination. Good for him.  But he isn’t football rich it seems to me even at championship level never mind PL level. When you have clubs effectively owned by countries rather than individuals then having a couple of hundred million isn’t enough, especially if you then want your club/business to be self sustainable.  
There are reasons why very few (can’t name any but I presume there are some) football clubs are actually self sustainable and genuinely have income greater than expenditure. I doubt any in the PL actually are, nor the championship for that matter and so for us to get there requires someone to spend/gamble enough to make it possible or take a long time (and have a lot of patience). We’re not a club with a lot of patience from top to bottom as these pages often demonstrate.
I don’t know how many years of watching live football I have left.  I’ve done 60 or so. David Clowes’ relative financial weakness is a huge problem for football as a whole and is the result of FFP and TV plus feeble football administration. I live in hope that we will gain two promotions in the next 10 years or so and that I see it,  but I’m not expecting it. We certainly can’t win anything in the top league any more other than individual matches. I am just glad that I have lived through the golden age of football when football life was simpler, fairer and better. And we were good.

Ince was signed permanently by Clement/Mad Mel.  
 
Gorgeous George would’ve been the best signing the club ever made, if it wasn’t for the eagerness of his boss to play him in a pointless friendly right after he joined… 
Still erks me that Dawkins was so under utilised. Used to knit stuff together so well.

You can’t sign 11 players with a combined 1000 matches at a higher level and complain about the expectation being too high. You can’t have the biggest wage bill in the league and complain about the expectation being too high. You can’t have almost three times the average number of fans coming through the door and complain about the expectation being too high. 
The expectation is to win the league, because if we don’t then another team in a worse situation is doing something better than us to achieve it. There is a difference between needlessly slagging players, i.e. Bradley, and wanting the club to find solutions to improve. 
Everyone is up for a critique: Clowes, Warne & Thomas. Clowes hired both Warne and Thomas, he is continuing their employment and letting them have influence over the future of this football club, his long-term investment and ultimately the general feeling and wellbeing of the people in the city of Derby. Clowes will never deserve criticism for being Derby owner, but we can critique and analyse how he could make it better. That is the difference. I don’t want anyone to lose their job or suffer abuse, although it happens, but we all have a right to say what we like and what we don’t - there is just ways to do things. ‘I don’t like 3-5-2, I wish we played XYZ’ is not that same as ‘Warne is a baldy, bobble-headed w*****’ - most people go with the former, the latter is just completely unnecessary. 

Still waiting.....

(I think Cocu's plan was to wait until all our players magically became Barcelona-level technical footballers. Which surprisingly they never did.)

Ha me too. Probably the biggest gap between expectation and reality I can remember. Although I had very high hopes for Joswiak, too, he wasn't quite as terrible/non existent.

I thought te wierik was going to come in and be a dominant centre back, the leader of the defence and a strong figure in the team. We saw absolutely none of that. I thought Bradley would be the same but we haven't seen it yet. Still need to give him some time though.

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

It didn't take Mac 4 to 5 years to get us playing nice stuff ?
He took over a side that was predominantly possesion type players the same Warne did , the difference is Mac tweaked it and got us scoring more and playing better.
Warne has come in and not got us playing better, this is my point, why appoint a manager who doesn't play similarly to what we had in our squad, nothing wrong with getting us fitter but I still think a good manager/coach who likes to play football on the grass would've got this team firing and what i mean by that is...playing more cohesively and controlling games more.
We are no more in control of a game whether playing Bolton a top side in this division or a Fleetwood who aren't 

He's a lover not a fighter, apparently. 😉