VulcanRam

Sometimes I've enjoyed it, sometimes I haven't. Hasn't the the edge or atmospheres of last season, football generally of a lower quality as you'd expect. Our play doesn't particularly engage me - bits of skill and excitement amid lots of aimless percentage football. Often at PPS just a little bored. Thanks goodness for McGoldrick.

I'll be glad to see the season over whatever the outcome as it'll mean we are one step closer to being able to compete with everyone else on a level playing field. 

2 hours ago, David said:

I really hope this is the last time we play them for a long long time.

No hatred for the weird little club, it’s just that, well it’s weird. Their fanbase is basically the Derby fans doing anything to avoid shopping and DIY when Derby are away.

They even sign ex Derby players in the hope we have some chants to bring across, make some kind of atmosphere in a ground that doesn’t have the capacity to host the Staffordshire tiddlywinks competition.

The 50 legitimate Burton fans try to create some kind of rivalry on social media, Leicester on a much smaller insignificant scale basically.

BBC have no real interest in covering them, we’ve drawn the short sympathy straw in giving them 5 minutes coverage here and there.

Let’s not pretend either here that the whole town doesn’t smell, and that’s saying something whilst sat here in Grimsby..

Stinks more than those pub team kits they get each season and that’s saying something.

The kit manufacturers look like the made up companies Forest have started to create to bypass P&S through rogue sponsorships.

We could probably have a whip round on here and afford to sponsor the front of their shirts next season, although I would rather we had a whip round for a more worthy cause than funding a club who’s fans travel to away in a shopping trolly.

Anyhow, I think we’ll win 3-1. 

I like Burton. They're a well run club that has done extremely well in recent times to get into and stay at a high league level relative to their history. Plenty there we could learn about sustainability and sensible business growth.

No delusions of grandeur or entitlement among their fans (unlike us), as a club you could argue they are punching above their weight (unlike us) and on the pitch they always give us a good game. They're a small, but decent club. Oh, and while we're at it if you're going to slag off Burton have you been into the s'hole that is Derby recently? And that's from someone who lives in Derby.

Given our recent record against them and their respective performances against top 6 sides recently, we'd do well to win this one. 

4 hours ago, Norwichram2 said:

Vulcan Ram, polite enquiry from someone who was at the opposite end of the ground with most of the Rams fans.

Are you implying that the people who had the best view in the stadium didn't think it was a pen?

No mate, I'm just saying the chap I know who was in that end said the fans around him didn't go mad screaming for it, although the ref gave it so quickly they barely had time to. Think it's one of those whichever angle you look at you get a different interpretation of where the players are and where the ball is etc. 

Just seen it on EMT and from their camera angle, and from that you can see why the ref gave it quite easily. Also it looks like he had a very clear line of sight. Slowing it down, White loses his man, he's only looking at the ball, they both tussle, White falls over and takes the BR player down with him through contact with his lower leg.

The only thing is whether the ball was well over their heads and impossible for the BR player to get to. Doesn't really matter now anyway!!

My point was that it wasn't an obvious an error than others we've seen this season, and Warne's comments about it were very over the top and perhaps did a good job of shielding the debate over what was a very limp performance after we scored.

1 hour ago, HorsforthRam said:

 

Seeing it from that angle shows that Warne's comments about being "cheated" were even more ridiculous than they sounded initially. White is on the wrong side of his man, there is contact as the ball heads into the area exactly where the BR player was going, which is presumably what has made the mind of the referee up. In real time, he might feel the BR could get to it. 

It's soft, but there's contact and therefore referee has a decision to make. His line of sight looked decent enough from the Rams TV angle so all this "he guessed" as it he didn't see it is I think a bit desperate. If it had been up the other end, I'd have be screaming for it. So while we can feel a bit aggrieved and on the wrong end of a decision, some of the hyperbole around it all doesn't do us many favours. 

Interestingly though and looking from the other side, I know someone who was in the BR home end, and he said none of their fans really went up for it. 

I really don't understand the point of this thread or even what it's trying to get at. 

Wildsmith 6

Hourihane 6

White 6

Cashin 6

Barkhuizen 6

Sibley 6

Collins 6

Dobbin 6

McGoldrick 6

Mendez-Laing 6

Smith 6

Bird 🦅 6 

Roberts, 7

Rooney 6

Knight 6

19 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

I like Warne. Find him down to earth, easy to listen to, passionate, clearly an intelligent guy. 

But I’m a bit disappointed with the football we play under him.

I may be alone in this.

But I preferred Rosenior. We may still have lost 0-2 to Ipswich, but we probably would have done so with a greater outlook as we dominate the ball, create more chances, give the younger players more game time.

When we lose under Warne it’s just depressing. The football is generally crap and we look like we have no real identity.

When we lost under Rosenior (especially at Charlton) we still looked a good side. 

I thought we were looking good under Warne but the more you analyze it, you realize our amazing run was down to playing crap teams more than anything Warne actually did.

Under Rosenior we picked up two points from Lincoln, Shrews and Fleetwood away. Horrible results. Yet in the reverse fixtures at home under Warne, we still only picked up two points and arguably played worse.

I agree with this. When the football is unappealing on the eye, you can get away with it when you're winning. When you're not though, the Emperor's new clothes are shed and what you're left with is really quite depressing. 

There don't seem to be any natural leaders on the pitch. Max needs to concentrate on his game at the moment rather than anything to do with captaincy.

The last few games when things go against us you don't see anyone geeing players up around them, getting hold of players, forcing us to get going again. Everyone just looks at the ground and disappears into their shells. 

A key bit of recruitment in the summer is a hard, nasty midfielder with those types of qualities. A, dare I say, Robbie Savage type player.

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

No problems with Warne . He said Ipswich are the “Model “we have to copy. Their players  are “Highly Motivated”. It must annoy him that our players on £10k-£12k a week can’t put the effort in.

If Ipswich are the model we have to copy, presumably it will mean he'll be given £10 million to spend in the summer.

Once the second goal went in the game was over. The players knew it, you could see it in their body language. The crowd knew it. I think people are just frustrated at how it's all gone in the last few games. 

I'm at the higher end of the south stand and it can take a good 20 minutes to get out of the stand and into the concourse if you stay to the end. Yesterday I was straight out, almost felt like I should turn off the lights.

I can't blame Warne for yesterday, Ipswich took advantage of their superiority with the first goal, we got done by the ref when we were on top and scored a perfectly good goal, and they hit us really well on the counter for their second. Ipswich are a good side who have won seven on the spin but we gave it a good go against a team who have spent big in the last year or so, esp in January. McGoldrick has dropped off massively from where he was and Collins isn't really a goal threat, so we are utterly toothless. You sense we need a fluke win from somewhere to get back on track or we'll just drift into eighth or ninth. 

I'm not totally sold on Warne, but he needs time to build a team. 

Wildsmith 6

Forsyth, 5

Cashin, 5

Bird 🦅 3.5

Hourihane 6

Collins 6

Dobbin 5.5

McGoldrick, 5

Mendez-Laing, 5

Smith 6

White 6

Roberts, 5

Rooney 5

Barkhuizen 6

Knight 5.5

Sibley 6

Warne has been operating under very different and difficult circumstances to the top six teams we are competing with. The players look tired and some who were so reliable earlier on are out of form. We have a tiny squad so very little room for change game by game except shuffling around the deckchairs. He has inherited a squad that's not his and in the large doesn't suit what he wants to do (3 at the back, high intensity etc).

BUT! His in-game management seems poor, he appears slow to react to situations and change things up (formation, style of play, attitude) when other teams step it up or make changes.

Time to judge him is at the end of next season, when he's had a pre-season, more of his own team regards players he wants and more time to put a footprint on it.

We might still go up this season by the way, just in case anyone has forgotten we are still in the play off positions. 

This will absolutely benefit the physical and time-on-the-ball part of his game. If he's not on the scene at Derby, this is a good move. National League is no worse a standard than L2. 

5 hours ago, OssieEnd said:

I repeat. 

 

This IS where we are. 

There is NOBODY to fear. 

 

 

COYR 

Indeed . I doubt anyone will fear us either. 

Not much between any of the teams in 3-6 at the moment. Might just be about who turns up on the day, handles the pressure and gets a bit of luck.

What a bunch of miseries.

To suggest the music prevents the atmosphere from building up pre game is rubbish - what prevents the atmosphere building up is the fact that two mins before kick off half the south stand are just coming up from the concourse. 
 

As for SBW, it’s like the unofficial start to proceedings, gets the whole ground clapping and sets the south stand off. Keep it!! 

Good discussion between @sage and @Jourdan and you're both right. We don't have squad depth or are in a position to rest key players.

However, and yesterday was a great example, we don't manage games to conserve energy. 2-0 up and cruising, it was obvious from the opening moments of the second half that Shrewsbury had altered their shape and got a rocket, yet we simply didn't react. Some leadership from the bench or from the captain/senior players to just dig in for 15, stick 10 men behind the ball, perhaps change shape a bit, try to conserve the lead and some energy, was notably lacking. We did nothing, hence having to then be full throttle again once it was 2-2 having spent 20 minutes wasting a lot of gas chasing Shrewsbury shadows. 

1Wildsmith 6

12Smith 6

3Forsyth 6

6Cashin 6

15Roberts 6

23White 6

17 Sibley 6

4Hourihane 6

11Mendez-Laing 6

22Springett 6

38Knight 6

Thompson 6

18Dobbin 7

7Barkhuizen 6

10McGoldrick 7

9Collins 6

2-0 if we play properly.

1-1 if we play like we have been of late (Charlton excepted).

4 hours ago, jimtastic56 said:

I didn’t mention the crowd size. I was talking about Tiredness. Sky always talk about how exiting games are “under the lights”. This season is a hard slog.

It was freezing cold, hardly any away fans and the game was boring = zero atmosphere.

I actually didn't think it was that bad, I'm sure it's been quieter this season.

Oh, and don't take Sky's word for anything - they'd tell you a snail race was the most exciting thing in the world if it helped with subscriptions and viewing figures. 

Job done, as people have said. An important win. But let's not pretend it was a decent performance. We need to get back to playing football again - since Wycombe we seem to have reverted to early Warne whack it anywhere. So wasteful in possession, particularly going forward. 

Thank goodness for David McGoldrick, head and shoulders the classiest player on the pitch. 

Just now, DavesaRam said:

Sorry, no conspiracy intended! It is sheer incompetence to indicate 3 different decisions for one event. But on the other hand, how many times have there been contentious decisions where Derby have actually benefitted, rightly or wrongly? It won't be many!

I agree Dave (and forgive my tongue in cheek) that what happened afterwards was farcical and I'd like to know what was said and why. But the original decision was goal, the outcome was goal, so nothing changes. In the end the officials stuck to their initial decision, that was the point I was making! 

1 hour ago, The Last Post said:

One reason is Refs aren't coming through the ranks, 1000s are leaving in their droves through abuse, Intimidation, Violent assaults and threats of violence, The ones we see are being fast tracked into the EFL, EPL refs(professional)are being cherry picked from the EFL, That's not a mark of a good ref, Just a mark that someone somewhere marked you as good...the ass...essor

I'm no fan of todays officials, They don't use common sense only hard and fast rules, One reason...the assessor in the stand, They mark you on performance, Perform well and maybe a promotion to the EPL and a fat contract, TV/VAR has shown why the standard of refs are at an all time low, Think of this, 1 poor decision and we've had more than our fare share(as no doubt so have others)can scupper all the hard work in a season by the blow of a whistle.   

Indeed. You only need to read some of the stupidity on message boards, Twitter etc etc, the scrutiny in the media and every supporter thinking they know better (when they don't, most of them don't even know the law of the game) to know why referees are leaving the game. People who do nothing but slag off referees left, right and centre - even when they've had a perfectly reasonable game - should take a look at themselves and the part they play in it all. 

2 hours ago, DavesaRam said:

Well either we have VAR in League or we don’t. Actually we don’t, so the 4th official watching a separate monitor should not be getting involved. So no goal, Derby’s heads don’t go down and so maybe we handle the GBH football better.

Feasible?

No, not feasible because you seem to conveniently forget/ignore that the goal was originally given seeing as the lino didn't stick his flag up initially, so he obviously didn't think it was offside to start with. If he thought it was offside he would have put his flag up straight away, before the ball even hits the back of the net. And then the goal doesn't stand.

I know you like your conspiracy theories, but this is stretching it to the limit. 

1Wildsmith 4

12Smith 4

3Forsyth 4

6Cashin 4

17Sibley 4

Roberts 6

23White 4

9Collins 5

4Hourihane 5

17Springett 6

7Barkhuizen 5

18Dobbin 5

38Knight 5

11Mendez-Laing 6 

10McGoldrick 6