Jram

2 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Are you implying that he's in the team just to swing his balls into the box?

@hintonsboots, over to you I think......

Not just that, he’s an excellent football player. Physically though, I think there’s something wrong with him which means he can barely run

5 hours ago, Rampant said:

                         Wildsmith

Ward         Nelson         Cashin          Elder

                          Robinson

               Thompson      Fornah       

   Barkz                Collins                Sibley

                           

Vickers, Cox, Wilson, Bradley, Smith, John-Jules, Brown

     

 

It’s sad but I just can’t see Warne giving Robinson or Brown a start. Hope I’m wrong 

32 minutes ago, inter politics said:

So bored of people questioning him and Hourihane. At this level, both quality at what they do.

I do think Hourihane is a bit of a liability without the ball. Sometimes he’s so slow I actually say wow. Given the naff opposition we come up against in this league, however, we often get away with letting unmarked players break into the box so it’s probably worth having him in for his in swinging corners 

Bird is top drawer. 

6 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

Not sure if we are that bad historically. Perhaps bad when we've splashed the cash, good when funds were limited.

But sellers? Is anyone as bad as us? From Goddard onwards, have we ever sold somone for more than we believed they were worth? Vydra maybe?

I half remember an horrific stat after Waghorn left: Derby released 8 players on a free since 2018 who they signed for a fee with a combined loss of (around) 40 million quid 

Blackman, Johnson, butters, waggy, jozefzoon off the top of my head and that’s over 20 mill 

Shows we weren’t the smartest buyers, certainly pre Clowes 

8 hours ago, TomTom92 said:

Derby's recruitment in the fullback areas has been diabolical in the past 30 years. If i had to make an all time XI from the past 30 years i'd be looking at Fozzy, Brayford or Bogle. All solid championship full backs in their prime, but hardly a good return. Anyway moan over, well done Fozzy. 

Behave

Getting Joe Wilkinson in as a free-kick specialist. Heard it yesterday at Moor Farm 

Bring him home 

Anyone know what the Peterborough players’ celebration was about for the third goal. Really incited the crowd and they definitely seemed like they had a bone to pick. 
 

Behaving like that has a way of biting you 

He was utterly anonymous the few times I saw him play for Forest Green but hard to judge given they’re one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen 😂

Technically, I think Bird is one of the best players in the squad. He does seem to lack ambition though on the pitch. I think, with his ability, he’s never going to be far from getting really good numbers but it just keeps not happening. Reminds me of Hughes a bit. 

1 hour ago, Tombo said:

I am fully prepared to admit I am/was a Warne doubter. Things have changed, which I didn't think they would.

I know you'll say "ah! I see! As soon as the results start coming in, you change your tune!! I am very smart!!"

Yes, of course. Because it was and always has been about results and performance. I don't like sprouts but if they suddenly started tasting like chocolate cake I may be inclined to revise my dislike of them.

I am still a long-termist, and I don't believe that what this team was doing under Warne at the start of the season and pretty much all of last season works, and nor do I believe it to be the key to success. Warne however, to his credit, seems to have huge willing to change things that don't work, against everything he had planned on doing. Almost no other football manager I've ever seen does this. Managers and coaches are generally "pigheaded" for want of a better phrase and believe so strongly in their vision that they will double down in the face of failure. Just look at Ange Postecoglou at Spurs who recently spoke about this and said that he will stick to his guns no matter what. If it gets him the sack, then he just wasn't the guy for the job. That mentality is common with football managers and is largely where my doubts about Warne stemmed from.

But he has changed it. We move with far more tempo, play through the middle a little more, mix up our play going long and short at different intervals to find a way to win. I don't know whether it is encouraging for a football manager to be so free and easy with their philosophy and have the ability to say "OK, I got it wrong. We're going to chuck a lot of this in the bin and go back to the drawing board", or whether a manager should stick to their vision no matter what.

Postecoglou described it as a lose-lose situation for a football manager. If fans are calling for a certain change, and you cave to that pressure, you will not get the credit if it goes well. If it goes badly, then you will have sacrificed your philosophy at a cheap price and you will still get the sack. Better to stick to what you believe in and fall on your sword, no?

Regardless, Warne deserves the credit for turning it around and changing things. I will grant him that because it is his credit to have. Takes a lot to swallow your pride and change your mind. However, he also shares the blame for having it wrong in the first place, and the question has to be asked what he will do next if what we are doing now stops working. Will he switch it up again? Can he make the necessary tweaks if it's not something he necessarily believes in? Can he get the players to buy in if it is crystal clear that he hasn't even fully bought in?

Ok look...I'll cut a long story short.

 

We're playing good football and getting good results and I'm happy.

Fair play to you.  I don’t think it’s anything to do with Warne changing anything though. I genuinely think it’s just that 15 games or so was never going to be enough to judge the squad. I think they’re now much fitter and more accustomed to the style so the football is better. I also think we had some rotten luck/decisions in early season and that has started to turn. We’ve also got a lot of fit players- Bird, Hourihane, Thompson, Barks, Wilson are all arguably key players who missed chunks of our inconsistent start through injury 

I don’t doubt for a second we will have a poor run between now and May so I’m not going to be smug and say anyone is right or wrong- they might still finish 7th yet

16 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Sorry , I think you are dreaming . We will need a total re-build to stay up . And Warne knows what it will take . A good start would be to keep Cashin . 

I think there’s quite a few players in the squad who would be good enough in the championship plus a few younger ones who are nowhere near their ceiling (Bird, Sibs, Thomson, Wilson)

I don’t think it’s a total rebuild. Probably would still need to sign potentially ten players though 

I love how smug this thread has become 👏👏 let’s enjoy it now before going 9 without a win in Feb/March 😂

On 19/12/2023 at 08:21, valakari said:

Youve only picked Hogan because you can't spell Jutkeiwicz...who would have always been a good player for us!

I remember playing Birmingham a few years ago and Jutz scored two. It led the commentator to remark that Jutz had scored 11 of his then 99 career goals against Derby and therefore over 10% were against us 😂

Apologies if this has been answered but is it televised?

On 05/12/2023 at 11:05, therealhantsram said:

Just what we need. An auction for the lad. Prices are usually higher in January as clubs are desperate and there are fewer teams willing to sell. Hopefully Brighton come back too.

I know what you mean but I doubt anyone’s gonna be desperate for Cashin because I don’t think any Prem club will be buying him with a view to him improving their first XI (yet)

Disappointed with the first team line up tonight. I appreciate it’s easy to criticise Warne and, if we’d been pasted with a team of kids, he’d have been criticised for not taking the competition seriously. I also know he has to keep squad players happy who might not be playing.

However, I think it’s a bit silly that not 1 young talent started the game 🤷‍♂️

37 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

For me it's sitting for more than 30 minutes with my shins at 90 degrees to my thighs that brings my arthritis to the boil and it's pretty damned excruciating

Horses for concourses, I suppose 

Saying “I just prefer standing at a football match” is a real red flag for me. Sit down, my knees hurt 

6 hours ago, ExiledinDerby said:

Agree should be used more but Warne is under too much pressure to go up this year and won’t gamble on youth but then if we do go up the pressure will be to stay up and again he or whoever won’t gamble again…

It‘a not right but fan pressure all adds to it. I think if we stay in L1 this year (sorry to be a downer but it may happen..) then I think budgets will be so tight that we will see increased use of academy players. 

I think this is a part of it. I do wonder whether we should change what we consider success. It’s not like we’re ever going to win the Premier League. Highly unlikely we’ll ever finish top 10 in the top division ever again.

Begs the question: what are we striving for? Maybe we should strive to be as good as possible with minimum 5 academy grads in each starting 11. If that ends up in the Prem, great. If we end up staying in League 1, so be it. 
 

Obviously this is completely hypothetical but I think it would be a novel interesting way for the club to operate 

18 hours ago, Crewton said:

Have we ever had 5-10 debuting every season?

Lampard gave more Derby County debuts to other teams academy products than he did ours. Bird got only 2 starts and 6 sub appearances. Max Lowe got one game and was then shipped off to Scotland, despite having been very impressive in pre-season. Jaydon Mitchell-Lawson got one brief subs appearance. He did stick faithfully with Bogle of course, but Cocu gave more debuts to academy players.

I meant in terms of that being the start of the academy really being used. It wasn’t until Rooney/Rosenior where we were giving 5-10 debuts a season. More out of necessity though, I suppose.

It definitely shows that we should use it more that so many that we blooded very early have gone on to be key players here or elsewhere 

It’s always been my biggest gripe with Warne. If we’re not giving the academy lads a chance in this league, we’re hardly likely to risk them against better sides in the championship 

Perhaps we’ve been spoilt the last few years with 5-10 academy players debuting every season. It started the Lampard season tbf when he gave Bogle and Bird a proper go. 
 

This entire thread makes me laugh out loud 😂

4 hours ago, Jayram said:

But much more football played through midfield compared to previous games. I actually enjoyed a home game for the first time this season.  

Fair enough. I do actually think that the football hasn’t been that bad even before Saturday 

1 hour ago, Jayram said:

Nothing to do with luck or the injury crisis, more the style of football has changed from tedious hoofball to actually playing some of it through midfield and on the ground because our manager finally understands that his style alone was getting us nowhere. Credit to him for adapting though; I enjoyed the match on Saturday - that’s the first time I’ve been able to say that since Blackpool. Long may it continue.
 

Eh? Did you see the goals on Saturday? Penalty from being fouled from a cross and two long balls from the keeper headed on 

Hardly slide rule, eye of the needle stuff