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2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Vickers

DRobinson   Bradley   Cashin   Elder

Fapetu   Fornah

Wilson   Weston   Sibley

Collins

 

Subs: Loach, Cox, Nelson, Hawkins, Allen, Barkhuizen, Wheeldon

Would love to see Weston et Al get a chance 

I think what is happening is exactly what some sensible forum members have been saying for weeks- injury crisis over and we’ve started to get some luck and take chances and now, shock horror, we’re winning games 

I don’t doubt we’ll go on another bad run at some point this season which is why Warne says he never gets too up or down after a win/defeat 

Any former anti warners been converted in recent games?

5 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Full draw:

What a random set of teams. How is the competition organised?

My biggest concern with Warne has always been his obsession with “26-30 year olds”.

Competing financially in League 1 is easy with gates like ours but we’re not gonna compete in the championship on gates/external investment because it’s full of similar sized clubs

Our best chance of having success in the championship, in my opinion, is to bring through and retain academy talent into their prime

In a few years Bird, Cashin, Sibley will be entering that age.

Such a shame the likes of Whittaker and Knight (and the rest) had to leave 

Actual legit thread on transfer forum actually 

Where’s this rumour come from?

2 hours ago, ExiledinDerby said:

You won’t be…

I can’t figure out what this means 😂 too much double negative 

I’ll be disappointed if some of the academy lads don’t get a run out tonight 

12 hours ago, Mckram said:

But arguably playing the worst standard of football of a Derby team ever…

I wouldn’t mind the league position if there was a positive direction that the team looked like it was going in, but it doesn’t look like there is a grand plan or philosophy under Warne? 

Blimey, surely you’re joking? You clearly weren’t at Preston away under N Clough with Dean Moxey playing number 9 

For the record, I actually think this team play some really good football at times 

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

There's positive and there's inventive. We didn't score either of our goals from a cross. But we kept trying. There is that positive enough for you?

NO way did we outclass Crewe.

On the subject of disagreement… 😂

Jokes aside, I genuinely think watching derby play Crewe today was like watching Man City play Luton in the Prem. Utter dominance in possession and some nice passing.

Most difficult thing at this level is understandably putting it in the net because if you can do that even remotely effectively, you wouldn’t be playin in League 1

2 hours ago, Mick Brolly said:

And you get the usual laughing emoji from Roy mac because you dared to post something positive 

He’s entitled to his opinion, I suppose. 
No harm in a bit of disagreement

They thoroughly outclassed Crewe today. They’re not quite creating the number of clear cut chances required to win consistently but I think that will come. 
 

Up the Rams.

I really hope he plays some of the kids- Brown, Robinson if fit etc 

May want the financial reward though I gues 

What makes you think 3 for Cash?

I don’t think Northampton defenders knew the rules for the first goal 😂 they work hard to keep Bird goal side and then appeal vociferously for offside as if his being behind the ball is irrelevant 

8 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

I'm sorry but this statement is just completely wrong.

Of course the manager makes the biggest difference. He is the one that dictates how everything is done. 

how do you explain the countless times at all levels of football where a new manager comes in with a different approach, and suddenly things start working. 

Yeah there obviously are some examples where a club’s fortunes improved after appointing a manager. 

But if you looked at the fortunes of different clubs one year after every appointment in the 92, I bet 90% would be in a similar position in the same league.

Im not saying the manager doesn’t make any difference- im saying there are dozens of other factors (many of which are definitely more impactful) that impact the club and most managerial sackings result in no material gain

Often when a managerial appointment does seem to cause a change in fortunes, it conveniently coincides with other things happening at the club. Arteta at Arsenal is a good example. Maybe he’s a genius? Or maybe his appointment was at the same time as Arsenal finally payin off stadium debt and being able to spend 200 million each summer? Call me cynical but I think the money had a bigger impact 

19 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

I totally agree…normally. I think generally patience is needed etc etc. But this seems different some how. The football is so dire at such a low level. I have stopped going to games for the first time. I continued watching the Rams under Jewell and Tango man, but I can’t motivate myself currently to watch this dross.

Maybe it’s just League 1? Maybe the Championship is just better football generally and you see less running, more passing and more skill 

I would say they’ve had moments under Warne where it has been lovely football. Gives me hope that we may see it more consistently 

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

It matters when the manager sets the 'agenda' for the type of player the club recruit, and the style of play that is watched by the fans.

Meh maybe 🤷‍♂️

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We ended up relegated not because we sacked managers, btw Rosenior was never a manager, and Cocu agreed to leave on a mutual, but because the EFL docked us points else we'd still be in the Championship.

I think we’re agreeing here. Sack the manager, don’t sack the manager- it doesnt matter. Very few managers make a significant difference anyway and, regardless of what we did, we’d probably still be in the same situation we are now. A possible reason for that is that they don’t get sufficient time to build a squad but I believe that it’s more likely that most managers just don’t impact a team that much- it’s mostly who can buy the best players and a host of other factors (player culture, player circumstance, blind luck across 46 games)
 

It possibly reflects the fact that football managers are nearly always drawn from a tiny pool- ex players- so the diversity, talent and innovation is actually minimal but that’s beside the point I’m trying to make 

24 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Fair enough for not wanting to make a change after 14 games, but what about after 62 games in charge?

I'll also go back to the point that we only sacked (mutually agreed) one manager since replacing McClaren 6.5 years ago. Going further back, we have sacked only 6 managers in almost 15 years.

I think my point about managerial changes stands though. Other than McLaren, did any ultimately make any difference? 
 

I genuinely think as well that it’s unfair to judge Warne outside of this season. Last season we all agreed it was a small, ageing squad which withered late on- arguably understandably given the constraints on the club when building the squad. Warne admitted he should have added one or two more in January and he’s learned from that. I would also have liked him to say he could have trusted the 21s more but you can’t have it all

I can honestly understand everyone’s frustrations at losing to Stevenage but I do think it’s fallacious to call for his head at the moment and am genuinely surprised there aren’t more people who agree (I know there are some)

25 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

We ended up in League 1 because our owner placed us into administration.

That’s exactly what I’m saying though. If we had retained Cocu or Rosenior, the last two coaches we actually sacked from memory, I highly doubt we would have been doing worse than now. Therefore, the money spent on sacking (Cocu, not sure rosenior cost anything) was arguably wasted. 
 

I just think it’s silly to give someone a four year contract and say build the club back up but, if he’s not absolutely smashing the league after one year, to want him sacked 🤷‍♂️

7 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

So you are content enough with a 3-1 loss at Stevenage, not long after what should probably have been a 3-0 loss at Shrewsbury 🤔 Interesting 🤨 Would you be happy with a mid table finish this season which looks like where we are currently heading?

I’m not even sure we’re debating the same thing anymore tbh

Im not necessarily into Warne specifically. I’m into giving someone with a four year contract a bit more patience than sacking him when in 9th after 14 games (to say we’re heading for mid table at season end with 32 games remaining is very dramatic)

I’ll go back to the point that we’ve sacked dozens of managers in recent years and we’ve still ended up in league 1. Is sacking managers really the answer 🤷‍♂️

2 hours ago, oomarkwright said:

Have we had the prezzer yet? 

Just watched it- basically said not good enough on Saturday but win a couple and you’re in the playoffs with a game in hand 

What’s this about on his Wiki? Mile?